For all you EV Promoters

[Partners]

Question is where is Gov.going to get their $$$ from?
Tax the shit out of EV vehicles.
To support health care etc..

[chuckChuck]

Oil and gas revenues will not dry up completely because oil has other uses than just for ICEs

Surely governments can figure out how to replace revenues from oil and gas especially since direct revenues are currently only 5%

[fjlip]

Yes, TAX EV when all are captive to it. See how smart Gov is?

Decreasing costs? BS, ever increasing raw materials cost due to scarcity, will cancel that and increase costs of EV.

Dream on.

[Hamloc]

Oil and gas revenues will not dry up completely because oil has other uses than just for ICEs

Surely governments can figure out how to replace revenues from oil and gas especially since direct revenues are currently only 5%

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Chuck2, Saskatchewan like Alberta is considered a have province, therefore I believe Saskatchewan like Alberta would pay more to Ottawa in personal and corporate tax then it receives back in federal transfers. So your pie chart is quite laughable as Saskatchewan residents and businesses would have payed more than that to Ottawa in the first place.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck2, Saskatchewan like Alberta is considered a have province, therefore I believe Saskatchewan like Alberta would pay more to Ottawa in personal and corporate tax then it receives back in federal transfers. So your pie chart is quite laughable as Saskatchewan residents and business would have payed more than that to Ottawa in the first place.

And regardless, such figures are quite meaningless in reality. For example, Saudi Arabia calculates that oil at gas only account for less than 1/3 of their gdp. In reality, if you removed that revenue, the rest of those economic sectors would cease to exist. There would be no government programs, no retail sector etc. Same thing is true here of course. All of the spin-off economic benefits of the energy sector are counted separately as their own category.

[chuckChuck]

So what industry or economy succeeds with the idea we shouldn't increase productivity by becoming more efficient - more output with less inputs.

ICEs are 20% efficient while EVs are 80-90% efficient.

80% of the energy of gasoline used for transportation is wasted because of the inefficiency of ICEs.

And it's wrong to assume that EVs will never come down in relative cost nor improve their technology.

We shouldn't keep using oil for transportation energy just because we need the tax revenue of the oil industry.

Governments can easily figure out how to find revenue from other sources.

[chuckChuck]

And regardless, such figures are quite meaningless in reality. For example, Saudi Arabia calculates that oil at gas only account for less than 1/3 of their gdp. In reality, if you removed that revenue, the rest of those economic sectors would cease to exist. There would be no government programs, no retail sector etc. Same thing is true here of course. All of the spin-off economic benefits of the energy sector are counted separately as their own category.

Potash alone generates more direct revenue than oil and gas. And then there are other non renewable resource revenues.

Is potash going to cease to exist? I doubt it. Is agriculture going to cease to exist? What about mining? Nope.

Alberta is certainly more dependent and there will still be an oil industry for other uses.

And how will Crypto Polly stop the transition to EVs? Ontario is counting on their economic benefits.

[fjlip]

Only works with Gov $billions$, try with market forces only...math is crap.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Good news for any of us who are nostalgic about the bagphones.
The anti smartphone rotary cell phone has now been invented.

https://www.thisiscolossal.com/2020/02/justine-haupt-rotary-cellphone/

[chuckChuck]

https://www.motortrend.com/news/evs-more-efficient-than-internal-combustion-engines/

Electric Vehicles Are Way, Way More Energy-Efficient Than Internal Combustion Vehicles
Say you drop $5 on a gallon of gas—only about $1 dollar's worth actually gets you moving in a traditional ICE vehicle.
Justin WestbrookWriterFile PhotoIllustratorPovi PullinenPhotographer
Aug 12, 2022

Out of the 8.9 million barrels of gasoline consumed daily in the U.S. on average, only 1.8 million gallons, or approximately 20 percent, actually propel an internal combustion vehicle forward. The other 80 percent is wasted on heat and parasitic auxiliary components that draw away energy. As the world begins its shift to EV proliferation, the good news is electric vehicles are far more energy efficient on the road.

A new set of graphics from Yale Climate Connections makes visualizing the efficiency gains of an EV over an ICE vehicle straightforward. Using data from fueleconomy.gov and the U.S. Energy Information Administration, these graphics break down the energy waste in your typical gas-powered car.

The vast majority of energy wasted in an ICE vehicle is through the heat the engine produces, which you can literally feel radiating from under the hood. About 5 percent is lost through parasitic engine components including the cooling system, which draws on the engine's own energy to help cool it down, about 4 percent is lost through the mechanical friction of the drivetrain and transmission components, and another 2 percent could be lost to auxiliary electrics like heated and powered seats, lights, and infotainment systems. In total, approximately 75 to 84 percent of the original gasoline's energy is lost.

Compare that to only 31-35 percent energy loss in the average electric vehicle (average EV battery size is about 63 kWh), before factoring in potential recuperation from energy regeneration. Its losses can be broken down into approximately 10 percent of the source energy from the grid lost in the charging process, 18 percent lost to the drivetrain motor components, up to 4 percent lost to auxiliary components, and another 3 percent lost solely from powertrain cooling and other vehicle systems.

Comparing the two, "the rough math pencils out to the energy equivalent of around 2 million barrels of gasoline per day, which is a substantial savings over the 8.9 million barrels currently used," according to Yale Climate Connections. But what about the power plants used to "refuel" those electric cars? Are they any more efficient than gas-powered cars? Well, yes. Much more efficient, in most cases.

"Even if the grid were entirely fueled by coal, 31% less energy would be needed to charge EVs than to fuel gasoline cars. If EVs were charged by natural gas, the total energy demand for highway transportation would fall by nearly half. Add in hydropower or other renewables, and the result gets even better, saving up to three-fourths of the energy currently used by gasoline-powered vehicles," according to Yale Climate Connections. Right now, all of that energy is getting lost mostly to heat. What a waste. For more facts and figures, read the full Yale Climate Connections report here.