Electric Vehicles

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Whoops
Never thought of that
Wait now , I know , diesel gensets

And they will have to be diesel because California has already lead the way with banning the sale of gas generators.

Created the crisis by sabatoging a reliable power grid, then outlawed any workaround solutions.

[Guest]

One day soon, the pee-ons will rise up

[chuckChuck]

In places that lose power for up to a week due to weather related issues, how will repair crews get around in the future with their electric vehicles? Where will they refuel? I have a neighbour who spent 6 figures on a grid tie solar array that doesn’t do him a damn bit of good when the power goes out. I back a tractor up to my pto genset and I have electricity right now. Also lithium and water don’t mix, are lithium storage batteries an issue in a flood?

So when the power goes out for long periods of time and the grid goes down due to storms where do most people go to fuel up their vehicles if the gas pumps don't work and everyone is in the same boat?

Do you think repair crews might have a plan b in case of these situations? Naw they wouldn't think of things like that would they? LOL

And my solar array shuts off when the grid is down to protect power workers. But on average it produces more electricity than I use during 99% of the rest of the year. So it will pay for itself in about 10 years and reduce the equivalent carbon emmisions. In other words it has a lot of value and when its not working I can plug in a generator just the same as anyone else.

[Hamloc]

So when the power goes out for long periods of time and the grid goes down due to storms where do most people go to fuel up their vehicles if the gas pumps don't work and everyone is in the same boat?

Do you think repair crews might have a plan b in case of these situations? Naw they wouldn't think of things like that would they? LOL

And my solar array shuts off when the grid is down to protect power workers. But on average it produces more electricity than I use during 99% of the rest of the year. So it will pay for itself in about 10 years and reduce the equivalent carbon emmisions. In other words it has a lot of value and when its not working I can plug in a generator just the same as anyone else.

Actually Chuck2, there is a simple thing called a transfer switch that I flip when I start my generator, which protects power workers. My guess for a plan b would be a diesel power generator to charge the batteries in the trucks.

As for your solar array, all that investment and you still need a generator when the power is out Lmao!
And the reason you will pay for it in ten years is your installation was subsidized by fellow taxpayers and the decarbonization of the electrical grid is increasing the cost of electricity not reducing it!

[cropgrower]

[Guest]

surely this can't be true ???
chucky ???
please tell me this isn't so ?

[fjlip]

Dare you CC refute the crazy numbers for batteries!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Dare you CC refute the crazy numbers for batteries!

Give Chuck a break on this one.
Almost all of that mining and refining and processing and manufacturing is performed in third world countries lacking any type of environmental/ labour regulations or CO2 taxes. And as we all know, CO2 and actual pollution and human suffering are only a problem if they occur in western countries.
CO2 doesn't travel beyond borders. Pollution also respects the arbitrary lines drawn on maps. If I can't see the slave labor or the child labor working with the toxic metals, then it doesn't count. These things are only a problem when they happen here.

[blackpowder]

Interesting to note the aforementioned Thacker Pass lithium mine is still only a proposition and is opposed by the locals.
Not even EVs can escape our new found self destructive ideals here in NA. Everything but the sunshine itself will be coming from countries who don't GaF.

[chuckChuck]

The climate change deniers care about environmental and social justice issue in the developing and developed world? LOL

Apparently only when it involves transitioning to lower carbon energy sources.

But when it involves oil, gas and coal? Crickets.

And they have nothing to say about the oversized impacts that the developing world will face from human caused climate change?

Their environmental and social justice concerns are conveniently only used to criticize low carbon energy sources and technology but suddenly disappear when climate change is mentioned! Funny that.