Vaccines WTF

[sumdumguy]

I agree. Completely botched rollout. Incompetence at every level.

Conflicting numbers everywhere. Today National Post says the Feb. Moderna # 250,000——>180,000——-> unconfirmed.

[dmlfarmer]

Canada awarded 1.9M doses of vaccine for the 2nd Quarter by Covax. This is further proof that we are way behind in vaccines, Covax gives vaccines to countries that are impoverished and behind in vaccines. By my research we are in 32nd place on a per capita basis, by the end of February we could be as far as 50th based on on how many deliveries forecasted for this month.

Maybe instead of researching vaccines on per capita basis you should research what Covax actually is instead of posting misinformation.

Covax is a WHO initiatives which about 145 countries joined. Wealthy countries fund a pool of vaccines which are distributed 50% to themselves and 50% cost free to third world countries. The reason contributing countries get 50% is the incentive for them to take part in the program. Otherwise most countries would do all their own people first before contributing to donations to third world. Canada bought into the program last September with a $544 million dollar committment to Covax. The target of the program is to fund 20% of all participating nations requirements for vaccine.

The first distribution has just been announced which provides member nations who request to be in the first round of distribution with enough vaccines for 3.3% of their population. Canada has accepted their allotment. So did New Zealand, a first world country with very few cases. So did Saudi Arabia and Qatar, both countries which certainly can afford their own vaccines. Not all of the 145 countries, including many first world nations, are getting vaccines in the first round. [I Participants that do not appear in the list below have either exercised their rights to opt-out, have not submitted vaccine requests, or have not yet been allocated doses".[/I] according to the Covax distribution list.

Here you all are screaming that Canada is not getting vaccines, and at the same time you are whining about Canada accepting vaccines it has already purchased through the Covax program? JC do at least minimal research before spewing your conspiracy theories! Check out sites about the Covax program online there are plenty that explain it.

And I will even provide the following link to the Feb 3 Covax Distribution List from the WHO to show all the countries alloted vaccines in this first round. Feel free to contact Trudeau if you feel Canada should not accept their Covax allotment that they have bought and paid. I am sure he would love to hear from you.

https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/covid/covax/COVAX-Interim-Distribution-Forecast.pdf https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/covid/covax/COVAX-Interim-Distribution-Forecast.pdf

BTW, Japan has not even started vaccinations yet because of different criteria for approval in Japan than in Canada or US or other countries that have already approved some vaccines so not eligible for participation in Covax at this time

[jazz]

Canada awarded 1.9M doses of vaccine for the 2nd Quarter by Covax. This is further proof that we are way behind in vaccines, Covax gives vaccines to countries that are impoverished and behind in vaccines. By my research we are in 32nd place on a per capita basis, by the end of February we could be as far as 50th based on on how many deliveries forecasted for this month.

Canada is an impoverished country now too, so I guess that fits.

Its clear all these so called orders werent even written down on the back of a napkin, just fake announcements from Trudeau hiding at his cottage. He left Canada last again as usual just like everything he does.

[Guest]

Everything that comes out of his mouth is a lie
This will be the last straw

[bucket]

This is what happens when a kid that has never understood basic things in life because he lives on a trust fund....

Need groceries someone goes to get them for him unless there is a photo op

Need Vaccines ....we just go to the vaccine store for them too...

I don't know what is wrong with the people that vote for him...at the very least give the conservatives a minority and get that trust fund moron out...along with his team of "never had a real job."

[chuckChuck]

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/11/the-public-lab-that-could-have-helped-fight-covid-19-pandemic.html https://www.thestar.com/opinion/contributors/2020/03/11/the-public-lab-that-could-have-helped-fight-covid-19-pandemic.html

The public lab that could have helped fight COVID-19 pandemic

By Linda McQuaigContributing Columnist
Wed., March 11, 2020timer3 min. read

Canada once had a publicly owned pharmaceutical company that could have made a difference in the current coronavirus crisis — except that we sold it.

Connaught Labs was a superstar in global medicine. For seven decades, this publicly owned Canadian company performed brilliantly on the national and international stage, contributing to medical breakthroughs and developing affordable treatments and vaccines for deadly diseases.

Hated by its corporate competitors, Connaught was unique among pharmaceutical companies in that its focus was on human need, not profit.

It would have come in handy today.

In fact, Connaught got its start amid a diphtheria outbreak in 1913. Toronto doctor John Gerald FitzGerald was outraged that children were dying in large numbers even though there was a diphtheria treatment available from a U.S. manufacturer. But, at $25 a dose, it was unaffordable to all but the rich. FitzGerald set out to change that — and did.

After experimenting on a horse in a downtown Toronto stable, FitzGerald developed an antitoxin that proved effective in treating diphtheria, and made it available to public health outlets across the country. Then, with lab space provided by the University of Toronto, he and his team went on to produce low-cost treatments and vaccines for other common killers, including tetanus, typhoid and meningitis.

Connaught developed an impressive research capacity, with its scientists contributing to some of the biggest medical breakthroughs of the 20th century — including penicillin and the Salk and Sabin polio vaccines. It also played a central role in the global eradication of smallpox.

“It was a pioneer in a lot of ways,” says Colleen Fuller, a research associate of the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives. “It did things commercial companies wouldn’t do because they weren’t willing to take the financial risks.”

Fuller argues that if a publicly owned Connaught were still operating today, it could be contributing to the development of the coronavirus vaccine — and ensuring a Canadian supply if there was a global shortage.

Yet, tragically it isn’t.

Succumbing to corporate pressure and a misguided belief that the private sector always does things better, Brian Mulroney’s Progressive Conservative government privatized Connaught Labs in the 1980s. Today, what remains of this once-dazzling Canadian public enterprise has been taken over by a giant French pharmaceutical company.

The coronavirus outbreak may finally help expose the fallacy of the notion that the private marketplace is innately superior — which has been the guiding principle in Anglo-American countries (including Canada) for the past four decades, leading to the constant denigration of government and its functions.

Fortunately, Canada’s public health care system, established in the 1960s, has been so popular that it has survived, despite attacks of “socialized medicine” — although our political leaders have quietly whittled away funding for the system in recent decades.

If the foolishness of cutting funding for public health care wasn’t already abundantly clear, the coronavirus has driven it home with a sledgehammer — as we’ve witnessed the extra struggles the U.S. faces in containing the virus with its lack of public health care.

Still, our willingness to go along with the privatization cult in recent decades has left us weaker and less protected than we could be.

Not only do we no longer have Connaught Labs, but Canada spends $1 billion a year funding basic medical research at Canadian universities, yet relies on the private marketplace to produce, control — and profit from — the resulting medical innovations.

For instance, the crucial work in developing a vaccine to treat Ebola was done by Canadian scientists at the National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg — and financed by Canadian taxpayer money. But sole licensing rights to the vaccine were granted to a small U.S. company, which then sublicensed it to pharmaceutical giant Merck for $50 million.

Although Merck is now producing the vaccine, critics have charged that the company did “next to nothing” to rush the vaccine into production during the deadly Ebola outbreak in West Africa, according to a recent paper published in the Journal of Law and Biosciences.

With a surge in future global pandemics expected, it might well be time to rethink Canada’s foolhardy attachment to the notion “the private sector always does things better.”

Always unproven, that theory is looking increasingly far-fetched.
Linda McQuaig
Linda McQuaig is a Toronto-based freelance contributing columnist for the Star. Follow her on Twitter: @LindaMcQuaig

[chuckChuck]

If you want Canada to have vaccine production capacity in a relatively small domestic market then the government has to invest in it. Which is what has happened with VIDO and the NRC. Better late than never. Just hope the next government doesn't sell the capacity off.

Long term care for a profit has been another glaring failure of Canada's health care system. For profit long term care homes in many parts of the country have been some of the worst hit with the highest number of deaths.

Four seniors to a room and intentionally short staffed and underpaid workers so that shareholders could make more profit? WTF. Even before the pandemic there was lots of problems.

Where is there profit in high quality affordable care for our seniors? For profit care can only work if there is strict standards and strict enforcement which the long term care industry lobbies against at every opportunity. When former Conservative premier Mike Harris is on the board of a long term care provider company guess what happens?

[Guest]

If you want Canada to have vaccine production capacity in a relatively small domestic market then the government has to invest in it. Which is what has happened with VIDO and the NRC. Better late than never. Just hope the next government doesn't sell the capacity off.

like this present govt is doing with the Canadian energy industry which is pretty important for the temps we live in

[chuckChuck]

Kenney is going to start a state owned oil company and Trudeau invested in the TMX. Kenney put 1.5 billion into Keystone. How much more government investment do you want? LOL

Try to Stick to the thread topic _ vaccines and covid heath care.

[jazz]

chuck is so delusional.

The UK had zero domestic production vaccine facilities at all and they built them from scratch, 8 months ago while our Prime Moron was hiding in his cottage.

[Guest]

Kenney is going to start a state owned oil company and Trudeau invested in the TMX. Kenney put 1.5 billion into Keystone. How much more government investment do you want? LOL

Try to Stick to the thread topic _ vaccines and covid heath care.

try and stick to the present tense here
first it was harper , now its mulroney ,lol,lol,lol,lmao, you sure it wasn't Dief that ****ed it up for numbnuts ?
lots of countries built plants in the year , your sorry excuse for a man, couldn't even buy any

[chuckChuck]

Don't you free marketers believed that it is up to the private sector pharmaceutical companies to supply the market demand for products?

But now you want the government to do it? LOL

[dmlfarmer]

chuck is so delusional.

The UK had zero domestic production vaccine facilities at all and they built them from scratch, 8 months ago while our Prime Moron was hiding in his cottage.

Jazz do you ever fact check anything you post or simply think everyone on here is so dumb they will eat up any garbage you post. In two minutes I found a UK lab that has been producing vaccines for over 2o years in Britain - Cobra Biologics in Keele, North Staffordshire. Here is a news article about a number of other Britain vaccine manufacturing facilites and these are just the ones for producing Astra Zeneca vaccines. https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/uk-factories-making-astrazeneca-vaccine-19708380 https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/uk-factories-making-astrazeneca-vaccine-19708380

Yes, more are being built and some with government assistance just as Canada has provided assistance to build manufacturing facilites in Montreal, Saskatoon, Calgary and Vancouver. Britain also is paying to upgrade existing facilites to be able to make the vaccine as there are different processes depending on vaccine type. If Canada had an existing vaccine production facitlites, Canada would have done so too but most vaccine manufacturing left Canada a decade ago.

[jazz]

Jazz do you ever fact check anything you post or simply think everyone on here is so dumb they will eat up any garbage you post. In two minutes I found a UK lab that has been producing vaccines for over 2o years in Britain - Cobra Biologics in Keele, North Staffordshire. Here is a news article about a number of other Britain vaccine manufacturing facilites and these are just the ones for producing Astra Zeneca vaccines. https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/uk-factories-making-astrazeneca-vaccine-19708380 https://www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/uk-factories-making-astrazeneca-vaccine-19708380

Yes, more are being built and some with government assistance just as Canada has provided assistance to build manufacturing facilites in Montreal, Saskatoon, Calgary and Vancouver. Britain also is paying to upgrade existing facilites to be able to make the vaccine as there are different processes depending on vaccine type. If Canada had an existing vaccine production facitlites, Canada would have done so too but vaccine manufacturing left Canada a decade ago.

So kinda like Sanofi in Toronto then?

https://www.genengnews.com/topics/drug-discovery/sanofi-to-build-431m-vaccine-plant-in-toronto/

An existing company making vaccines in our country, except the UK was smart enough to ramp theirs up for conversion to the new vaccine production, while we went chasing china?

Or should I blame Trump, Harper and Mulroney now?

You live on an island of delusion dml.

[burnt]

Interesting and informative video featuring a doctor who says what most rational minds believe - the Wuhan Flu is no mere accident.

It appears to be an engineered virus which has super-attachment capabilities. Like all virus's, it is losing it's potency as time goes on.

It is a pys-op.

This is Warfare 5.0, a 5th Generation form of warfare - so stealthy that you do not recognize or identify the enemy and don't even know you've been attacked.

https://rumble.com/vcvkk9-urgent-bio-warfare-vaccine-danger-and-weaponization-of-covid19-dr.-lee-merr.html https://rumble.com/vcvkk9-urgent-bio-warfare-vaccine-danger-and-weaponization-of-covid19-dr.-lee-merr.html

Very interesting at the 5:05 mark - Taiwan does not listen to China's propaganda as it comes from the CCP and that is why it acted early, hard and successfully to prevent the spread of the Chinese Flu.

Rather than listen to the official government line, they have a corp of social media monitors who watch for what gets censored as soon as it comes online. That, they know then, is the truth and something worth following up on.

Seems like the Sock Puppet is moving to enact similar controls on our social media. He likes a basic dictatorship like China's.

When he gets it passed, say goodbye to Agriville!!