16 Years of Pea Marketing Information

[BennyHin]

Parsley:

I think I know where your staunch opionions come from. Your convictions are deep, and your mindset entrenched.

I realize you hate the cwb because of the CWB buy-back on organic sales (as you mentioned over and over again). If there was no buy back on organics, I imagine we wouldnt hear a peep from you.

I agree to a point that the CWB should give a concession to valid organic farmers selling organinc production. I dont think 250,000-400,000 tonnes/year organic wheat would effect the CWB pools significantly, so long as the seller is a valid cert organic farmer, selling cert orgainic wheat.

Just fax your export permit request to the CWB along with your cert producer information, and go ahead and sell your grain, no buy back. The problem is you will have Cherry Pickers trying to do the same thing, selling non-organics at the higher spot cash price. (Perhaps FRISCO can elaborate on this from experience)?

I know you hate the bureaucracy of faxing papers (but you did note in a previous post how easy it was dealing with the USA government's import documentation.

I myself as stated before, market 60-70% of my crops non-board (i.e. canola, peas, canary, beans, flax, rye-grass, cert seed, etc) I do so with success on my own and with the assistance of brokers, and lots of networking and researching.. read, read read... and phone phone phone.

I like the marketing choice the CWB provides me on top of non-boards, further diversifying my marketing portfolio. I have several marketing options via the board,I like to mix it up with pooling, fixed price , basis (futures first option that isnt available with some major grain co's), rolling basis, play old crop new crop spreads, play 0.1% protein spreads (where are the canola oil spreads), get paid in 10 days, guaranteed payment etc.

You can find all the negative you want about any grain co, any person, any religion, any company. It all comes down to ideology, and we will never settle this argument. But eventually you guys will win.

[craig]

I have a problem with some of the comments re Gord Flaten. It is suggested that we are in a rising wheat market. I would suggest that premium values were available early in the crop year and that wheat prices have trended flat for some time. The board states what values it is receiving for wheat delivered Ontario but if PRO's reflect average prices over time then the CWB has obviously made a lot of sales at values considerably lower than Ontario prices received by the farmer. The comments imply that an Ontario producer is receiving less for his grain than someone in the designated area. This is simply not true. The reality is to ask an Ontario producer if he feels he is better off today in an open market than when he was under a single desk. Producers are not stupid. They know there bottom line and make marketing decisions accordingly. If you are happy with the price you receive and it makes you a profit you are receiving value from the market place. Don't imply that by selling at these values you are missing opportunity. Anyone who follows the market understands that under the single desk this crop year we have given up huge opportunites for better values in both wheat and barley.

[GrainBeetle]

Hey fransico: You seem to be a defender of free speech and freedom of rights. We gained these freedoms as a nation fighting in WW1 WW2. Is the CWB fight at the same level of importance that you seem to make it out to be?

How many C.O.'s in you family's past? I hear many in the region didnt fight the wars, but stayed home and bought all the farm land from underneath the fighting soldiers families?

[Fransisco]

Bennyhin said, "The problem is you will have Cherry Pickers trying to do the same thing, selling non-organics at the higher spot cash price. (Perhaps FRISCO can elaborate on this from experience)?"

You don't have to worry about me jumping in and out of your precious pool Benny. Give me the option and I'm out, you want it in writing, no problem. There are many ways to capture an average price if that's what gets your motor running, but you don't need my grain to do it, you never did.

Bennyhin said, " I like the marketing choice the CWB provides me on top of non-boards, further diversifying my marketing portfolio"

Good for you for liking it, some people like brussel sprouts, but stop kidding yourself and everyone else that it is a choice. It is not a choice, you have no say in the matter.


Grainbeetle, not that it's any of your business and has nothing to do with the argument, but my family emigrated to Canada from Europe after World War Two with little more than the clothes on their backs.

Yes, the CWB is a problem, but no, it is not even in the same category as the Nazi's. What kind of a stupid question is that?

Yes farmers who sell their own wheat go to jail, but no those jails are not forced labour camps with gas chambers and ovens on the side.

What's the next kooky irrelevant question? Do I like Coke better than Pepsi?

[TOM4CWB]

GrainBattle

My better halfs family had Officers who returned and as Veterans were GIVEN farm land by the gov.

It is a sure thing this is a religious battle... built on Coveting, Jelousy, Envy, and Arrogance that anyone should have the right to take a neighbours property. This has nothing to do with cooperation... it is confiscation.

Grade for grade... intrinsic quality considered between Canada Eastern Red Spring, and CWRS, CWB Minister Strahl is close enough to the bulls eye... that the CWB should not be beefing.

This is the real reason for this charade... not at all as represented by the CWB herein.

The CWB is getting Fair Market Value, for quality, inventory control, risk management, and all the other considerations that are part of CWB sales packages to millers. If these eastern millers could get wheat from elsewhere... for less... they would... and at times do even if it costs them extra!

It gets tiring fighting with a steer with a bull's bad habits.

[parsley]

BennyHinn,

1. One shouldn't be an organic farmer if you are not prepared to maintain Identity Preserved records, because an audit trail is mandatory, and by presuming I hate faxing, it shows your unsurprising lack of understanding of IP.

2. You are fully accusing IP certification as faulty and leaky because you do not understand what IP certification entails.

The IP template is quickly being adopted, no embraced, by many sectors of agriculture, and a great deal of time and money is spent on being able to trace a product on the plate to the farmgate.

IP newcomers such as Cattle, trait specific products, etc. will continue to adapt, and each member of the IP chain will only be as valuable as his credibility trail.

If you are accusing certification programs, national or private, as being leaky or trying to impersonate, or being downright dishonest, I would suggest that you be prepared to prove your allegations or you should retract your statement.

Coming from a producer who is content to dump his year's work in the stronghold of some ship headed for a Third-worlder doesn't lend you any credibility with those couting an entirely different market.

4. You have indicated time and time again, you want to continue what you are doing, and I say go at it, but others are targeting what wealthy consumers want. Producers target different customers.

5.The CWB has lists and lists and lists over years and years and years and years of busy work...compilation and revisions of all the organic certification bodies, and is easily able to call that organization to see if Fransisco or craig is a certified member.

If he is, the amount of grain being exported must reconcile with the audit sheet that every organic farmer has to commit to.

6. There is an entire well-paid CWB organic department on red-alert currently sporting a $0.00 sales record, with nothing else to do except call the certification bodies to beg the agencies' update information on new members, so the CWB can update as well.

7. The CWB could easily grant the license to the organic farmer on the list or deny the export license to craig because he is not on the list.

It's that simple. No giggly-assed organic department to pay for. Just a CWB licensing staffer calling a cerification body to check if the licensing applicant is on the list.

The reason this does not happen is why? There is a non-productive department sitting ready to do what? Send out anti-Strahl material?

8. Whether it is an organic farmer, or a conventional farmer, or goat farmer, or a pincherry farmer, I will continue to support the undeniably essential under-written principle that must be inherent in farming....farmers must be able to sell what they grow.

Parsley

PS
Picking out who you want to partner with in marriage,in fun, or in business is not necessarily determined by what religion you are or what company you work for or what label beer you drink. What draws people together? It's hard to put a finger on.

I asked you the question if you were ok with your money being spent sending letters to the editor. You deliberately chose not to answer. Instead you attacked the credibility of the audit of IP systems.

That exhibits, best, exactly what I do not want in a business partner, BennyHinn.


Parsley

[nashty]

I appreicate your data if you wouldn't mind sending to jholm@blbgraingroup.com. Thanks!

[HFL]

I never was very good at math so correct me if I am wrong. If they are selling wheat now for $ 6.95 per bushel and the average price ( PRO ) is $ 4.40 per bushel that would mean that they sold a equal number of bushels at $ 1.85 per bushel. Perhaps to Algeria?

[parsley]

Correct me if I"m wrong, as I'n not very good at exporting, but don't the Algerian sales go through an Accredited Exporter?

[lakenheath]

Hope you both got the information. Let me know what you think?