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[chaffmeister]

peaqueen:

Not sure of the point you're making - that size matters when it comes to AEs.

But for clarity, being an AE has nothing to do with the "Winnipeg Grain Exchange" - nor do you need a "seat" on it.

Also, I will stand corrected if I'm wrong but I believe that, in its final fling with the CWB in trying to get coupled up with Dakota Growers, Praire Pasta Producers (a group of farmers) was supposed to become an AE (so that it could export durum on behalf of its members).

Typically, before the CWB will approve a company as an accredited exporter, the company has to demonstrate that it brings something to the table - connections, networks, ready access to markets that the CWB would have to work at developing. Also, most of the AEs on the list you got from the CWB website have been AEs for a gazillion years. By now, they're all used to the CWB going direct and undercutting them when they bring new business.

Guess my point is that if I wanted to become an AE tomorrow, I couldn't because I wouldn't add any value - no new customers. (Which is basically what what I think you're saying, but for a different reason.)

It has nothing to do with the size of my member ship at the Winnipeg Grain Exchange. Which, last time I looked, was pretty much the same size as every other member ship there.

[peaqueen]

This discussion began with the fearful thought that once the CWB was gone we would get "slaughtered at the hands of multinationals".

My point if all multinationals are bad and determined to slaughter us then we should define which multinational companies will slaughter us.
Those at large (not collectively organized by the CWB as AE's) or the
same wolves who would buy your grain if the CWB was made optional.

What people fail to realize is that a large percentage of CWB grain is marketed by AEs.

To be an AE you need to be a member of a recognized commodity exchange, which means "small companies need not apply"

Small companies serve small companies.
But in our system small companies cannot export direct they have to go through an AE.

So I ask who does the CWB serve best, it would appear to me that the current rules of the CWB favour the multinationals.

Which is why we need to allow small companies to export grain in addition to the AE. Open up the door a crack, and let some air in the old boys club.

[peaqueen]

See that AE need to be a member of an accredited commodity exchange:
((d) The company is required to be a member of the Canadian Ports Clearance Association in the case of shipment from export ports (886-167 Lombard Avenue, Winnipeg, MB R3B 0V3, tel 1-204-942-2424). The CPCA requires that you become a member of a recognized commodity exchange.

[chaffmeister]

FWIW - Of the AE’s listed on the CWB website, these ones have no known affiliation to the WCE:

Agro-Hall Ltd.
Canada Malting (used to be a member – no longer listed though)
ConAgra Limited (doubt this Canadian division even exists anymore)
Eagle Sterling Co. Limited (who? More on this one below)
Maple Leaf Foods International
Sojitz Corporation of America
BARI – Canada, Inc.

Can’t say for sure, but I doubt any of these are members of CPCA either.


Specifically, to your comments:
……...To be an AE you need to be a member of a recognized commodity exchange, which means "small companies need not apply" ……...
...……But in our system small companies cannot export direct they have to go through an AE……...

First – I doubt the rule that says you need to be a member of CPCA and a recognized exchange still applies (or at least I doubt it’s enforced).
Second – any small company can be a member of the WCE. (or now, a “participant” or shareholder) Even individuals can. So, if size matters, it's not the exchange that's keeping them from being an AE.
Third – Eagle Sterling Company Limited (one of the AEs listed by the CWB) appears to be a one man shop; none other than Gord Machej, ex CWB Commissioner. Now isn’t that interesting. I wonder how much business he gets and for which markets that the CWB can't access on its own....

As I mentioned before, a very small company – Prairie Pasta Producers – was supposed to become an AE (at the CWB’s suggestion and insistence) because it would’ve given the CWB access to a market it can’t access on its own – Dakota Growers.

...……it would appear to me that the current rules of the CWB favour the multinationals……...

I doubt any of the multinationals would say that being an AE is an exciting and profitable experience….

.........Which is why we need to allow small companies to export grain in addition to the AE. Open up the door a crack, and let some air in the old boys club.........

I agree with you – the CWB’s policy is restrictive.