CWB Election... should people be allowed to vote twice or more?

[Ron]

CWB Act
2 (1) in this Act

"Actual Producer" means a producer actually engaged in the production of grain;

"Producer" includes, as well as an actual producer, any person entitled, as landlord, vendor or mortgagee, to the grain grown by an actual producer or to any share therein;


Does this make my banker a "Producer"? He has to sign a declaration whether or not he has an interest in my advance?

This is crap. If you grow wheat you should have a vote in how you market it. Your vote should be proportional to how much your vote counts.
But then what about the guys who dont bother growing wheat because they are stiffled by the CWB? They dont get to vote at all?
Its a crappy system. Throw it all out. End of story

[TOM4CWB]

Ron;

Note that involvement in growing is the first condition... and having a SHARE in that grain that is grown... is the second condition.

"any person entitled, as landlord, vendor or mortgagee, to the grain grown by an actual producer or to any share therein"

Nothing about selling grain, delivering grain to the CWB, or even having a permit book.

Is this the first election where the majority of eligible voters must swear Statutory Declarations to vote in a Canadian election?

Further.. this is the most important election in the history of the CWB... because the biggest losses will be incurred...

IF we can't get market choice to raise our grain prices to premium world values!

THe adjustment values on FPC should worry anyone...

that the CWB were still subtracting $2/t for the pool subsidy money...

when the prices are $8/t BELOW the pool value... is astonishing!

They must have given our grain away!

I note now the FPC are finished transparency in FPC's are gone... no net daily price is quoted any more by the CWB... only the DPC.... the majority of which has been priced out already!

[Vader]

Tom,

Are you saying that producers are persons, persons are corporations and therefore corporations should be eligible to vote?

[rbrunel]

just a note... I received our ballot today. My family owns a corporation started in 1970. we only get one ballot, it has been that way since the start. the ballot is for our company. and that is who votes. not the shareholders.

[Vader]

Is there anything preventing the shareholders of the company from voting as well?

[rbrunel]

I have know idea Vader, but to me that is wrong....we farm as one unit and file income tax as one unit. as far as the gov"t is concerned I am not a farmer but a wage earner and a shareholder.

[TOM4CWB]

Vader;

Good question on who can vote.

I had a long discussion with our corporate secretary... and posed this question;

If I own a part of 5 different corporations, that each own different land... and grow grain... would the 5 corporations be entitled to be 5 entities

Therefore be 5different producers... and be sent 5 Ballots?

Of course by the definition in the CWB Act... they each qualify as a producer.

To change this... there would need to be an actual change to the CWB Act... and change the definition of a "producer".

If 5 persons, are each entitled to a share of the grain and revenue in a corporation... of course according to the CWB Act of "producer" each one is a producer... and is entitled to a ballot.

I realise this is the first election since 1998 that everyone who is really involved in growing grain will be entitled to vote... but isn't it about time?

Send my ballot, every person in my family that by the blood sweat and tears grows grain on our farm... a ballot as well...

Why not!?

Is this a democratic election... or just a bad joke?

Do we live in Canada...

or some backwater banana republic...

with bullies deciding who should or shouldn't vote?

Now we need a series of meetings... paid for by the CWB... to give everyone the opportunity to vote!

[Vader]

But Tom,

The act says that a producer who is an individual. It does not say a producer who is a person. It also says that the individual must have reached the age of 18. How can a corporation be and individual who has reached the age of 18? You did a good job of defining "person". Now give us your good definition of "individual".

You posted the relevant portion of the CWB Act.

"5. (1) A producer who is an individual may vote if they have attained the age of 18 years by the last day of the election period or, if under 18 years of age the producer has designated a cosignatory of a permit book who is at least 18 years old on that day and who has consented to vote on behalf of the producer".

[Vader]

Conversely, a producer who is a corporation may not vote. To prove eligibility an individual should provide a Social Insurance Number (proving their status as an individual) and a birth certificate (proving their age).

[wd9]

And according to the Anti Volpe Act on eligibility, alive.