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    #11
    Stubblejumper, so by your logic the policy positions of APAS and SARM are de-facto policy positions of all Sask. Farmers. How convenient!

    Did APAS and SARM have a plebiscite amongst all farmers to develop their CWB policy? If not, aren't they a little ahead of themselves in demanding the federal government hold one as well?

    The Wheat Growers establish policy positions at convention and farmers are free to join or not join based on their compatibility with those policies. That is something very unique among farm groups. Imagine that, saying this is who we are, this is what we believe and we welcome you if you share our vision. But don’t expect us to bend ourselves out of contortion to please the masses.

    With respect to funding by major ag corporations, I don’t know what the amounts are today, but if it was like when I was there yes we had corporate sponsors for our conventions, and that is where the vast majority of funds from the corporate side originated from. I never had any moral dilemmas because of this, although I always wanted more from them. They weren’t buying influence, they were buying direct access and close contact to some of the most progressive and prosperous farmers in western Canada. One of my frustrations was that they always wanted us to shut up about the cwb. Well as I saw it, that was what set us apart, we would say the things that everyone was afraid to say, or was contrary to accepted protocol. We were supposed to be nice, and smile while the cwb continued to rob us of our rights and our grain. We were supposed to be cordial while the cwb spent our own money against us in a huge propaganda campaign that had never stopped ever since the Goodale Board was created back in 1999.

    Stubblejumpper, you must understand that Wheat Grower members don’t consider themselves helpless victims of corporate greed, but as equal and respected partners within a dynamic industry. You may not agree with that philosophy, or outlook on farming but I ask you to respect that others do.

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      #12
      adamsmith believe it or not other organizations also have conventions and discuss policy.

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        #13
        THe funny thing about all this rhetoric about the WCWGA is that I am one of the furthest ahead farmers in my four RMS. THis was do to hard work and creative inovative farming, hell we try a different crop every year, yes I have grown Corn Soyabeans Pintos etc. But Becoming a member of that organization would be the last thing on my mind. Cash and Profit of My farm are my main objectives JUST LIKE MONSANT, Bayer ETC>
        MY Main comment was why are we just hearing one side of this the WCWGA Side. Hell I want all sides and then I can make up my mind.

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          #14
          You really have me confused SASKFARMER3.

          There is the, I support the CWB single desk and want it to continue, side.

          And there is the I want the freedom to sell my grain to who ever, when ever, where ever, side.

          Only those two sides. It's pretty simple really. Should farmers be free to sell their wheat to whoever they want or should farmers only be allowed to sell to the cwb. That is the only debate going on.


          Hmmm


          Oh, you mean the wishy washy side!

          The side that can't decide.

          The side that sees value in having freedom as long as the cwb say's it's ok.

          But if the cwb says it's not ok well gee that isn't very good either.

          But They don't want to say anything bad about the cwb because well they do some good things for farmers, but gee why can't farmers process their own grain in a new gen co-op mill, that's not right.

          But the cwb knows alot and we don't want to get rid of them, but gee wouldn't it be nice if this debate would just go away.

          Yeah, I'd like to hear from that side myself.

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            #15
            I know your one of those guys that knows it all but my comments on the WCWGA is why is a group of 100 or so making policy.
            Let the CWB open the books to farmers and show us if they made money or it went strait to winnipeg jobs.
            If its the jobs then gone and for good.

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              #16
              Well SASKFARMER3, You said

              "why is a group of 100 or so making policy."

              what's your point? The WCWGA shouldn't consider, develop, and promote policy?

              Or are you asking why should the WCWGA be listened to?

              Is there a membership numbers threshold that must be met in order to have your voice heard?

              I as an individual, I sent in a submission to the Task Force. I woke up at 5:30 one Sat morning with a mission and by 1 PM I had it sent to Howard Migie the task force chair, but I suppose because the membership of my farm is only 2, you may think I had no right in doing that.

              Did you send in a submission to the task force?

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                #17
                SASKFARMER3 –

                What a great idea – “Let the CWB open the books to farmers and show us if they made money…”

                Wish I had thought of it…

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                  #18
                  I sent in an email submission to the Task force as well - and I'm not even a farmer. I think it's ok because a farmer I know asked me to do it.

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                    #19
                    Mister Smith at 5:30 Im out making money and no I didnt make a submision.
                    My problem is it seems that the Govt of the Day which I voted for is just listening to one group a little to much and some of us out their were sick of this group years ago and now their back.

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                      #20
                      SASKFARMER3, your original question of why are we listening to the wheat growers on CWB reform: The WCWGA is the only organization that ever tackled the mechanics of how a voluntary CWB would work. That is not "if" but "how". I remember their convention in Winnipeg in the late '90's where one of their directors made a presentation on how the CWB would function without the monopoly. He spoke on how contracts and commercial arrangements between farmers and the CWB, the CWB and grain co's, and shippers and railways would make a voluntary CWB work. The WCWGA was constantly developing solutions. Often though, the media ignored the solutions offered by the WG'ers and focused on the rhetoric from WG'er detractors like the NFU and yourself.

                      I find your comments (about WCWGA) rather amazing and ironic. Your talk of hard work and innovative thinking is a personality trait of the wheat growers that I know. The only thing that differs is that they spell better.

                      There is a lot of anger in your writing, and anger is driven by fear. What are you afraid of SASKFARMER3?

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