How we could actually cut fertilizer and not cut production.

[foragefarmer]

I think you have me confused with someone else.
And nowhere do I say that I expect the average grain farmer to suddenly want to become a cowboy. But there are a lot of landless cowboys begging for an opportunity.
Unite them with their grain farmer neighbors under a mutually beneficial arrangement, that makes use of the byproducts and crop failures and land unfit for cultivation. While simultaneously increasing the productivity of the cropland at almost no cost to either party. I had to thread on this very topic a while back. Our beef sector is not competitive with countries without winter time. We either give up on the beef sector or we find a way to make it competitive. Buying expensive land and expensive tractors and equipment and facilities and fertilizer and trucking feed all over the country and feeding them eight months of the year, isn't working. Especially when there are so many opportunities for synergies between the two industries.

Do you have any constructive suggestions on this topic? It is going to be forced on us whether we like it or not.

What you are asking for is history to repeat it's self when there was a family farm on every second quarter with cattle. Regrettably those days are gone no matter how much you romanticize about it.

Why would cattle guys who are struggling to make a honest living stay in an industry just to ensure you can spread their manure on your grain land.

There's my contribution the honest truth, cow calf family farms are sadly dying a very unfortunate slow financial death and won't be around to provide you any shit.

[furrowtickler]

have tried it and its snake oil

There is several trials here , nothing noticeable so far , will see what the grain cart says .
There are many more coming , they will make it work eventually.

[TSIPP]

The neighbour had his tractor exhaust piped into his air drill, he paid a small fortune for it and he bragged it up, a few years later he couldn’t look me in the eye when he asked me if I wanted to buy it.

It’s probably still in his junk pile.

[edl]

Products like this have been around for a while , some used to call them snake oil . We’ll time will tell but this will the next level that of fertilizer reduction if they perform.

have tried it and its snake oil

[WiltonRanch]

You're absolutely right - technology may save us from governmental malice. This is not the only example of this type of technology that is under development. Nitrogen fixing cereals would absolutely reduce "emissions" from the evil fertilizer industry. I guarantee you though that Marie Clod Bobo knows exactly nothing about this technology and Skippy knows even less.

Was a slap in the face to ag when shithead put this in as our ag minister. How could you take anything out it’s mouth as worth listening to or believing. It’s like armoured keep as the energy minister.

[bobofthenorth]

Products like this have been around for a while , some used to call them snake oil . We’ll time will tell but this will the next level that of fertilizer reduction if they perform.

You're absolutely right - technology may save us from governmental malice. This is not the only example of this type of technology that is under development. Nitrogen fixing cereals would absolutely reduce "emissions" from the evil fertilizer industry. I guarantee you though that Marie Clod Bobo knows exactly nothing about this technology and Skippy knows even less.

[WiltonRanch]

Guys dropping out of cow/calf operation not sure how you figure manure can be a substitute for fertilizer on the vast acres of crop production in western Canada.

And sure as shit guys who have never had livestock are not going to do 180's now, in fact it's the exact opposite.

Not to mention cow/calf guys are working their asses off just trying to survive.

Oh I forgot weren't you promoting that Gabe horseshit last fall.

Being that you are a “forage farmer” you would see firsthand the cow business has been shit for years. With mandated reductions in nitrogen use it is worrisome the cattle industry will be the baby thrown out with the bath water because of less grain grown. I seen cows were going nowhere 6 years ago and halved the herd. I do not regret it. Talking with a friend who is more gung ho about cows and he’s talking about halving his herd because it’s a money hemorrhage. Even $1800 steers this fall isn’t enough to wipe the stink off this industry.

[wmoebis]

Western Canada has elected conservatives all along. I don't think that's going to help either.

The drought last year received no standing at the ag committee in Ottawa while the conservatives put the PEI potato on the agenda along with the BC floods.

Both deserved attention but why were farmers and ranchers ignored?

The feds are spending big $ on irrigation and still pay 60% of crop insurance premium for farmers. No other industry gets ins premiums paid for them and a guarantee that farmers will be paid if crop loss. Must be worth something.

[furrowtickler]

Products like this have been around for a while , some used to call them snake oil . We’ll time will tell but this will the next level that of fertilizer reduction if they perform.

[bucket]

We're about to get mugged the same way the oil industry got mugged. Anybody who tells you there's any logic or reason involved is delusional or complicit in the scam or both. We won't get consulted - our opinion is irrelevant to the Lib brain trust. We need to either elect a Conservative government next time out or separate. Any other suggestions are just as delusional as the whole nitrogen reduction scam.

Western Canada has elected conservatives all along. I don't think that's going to help either.

The drought last year received no standing at the ag committee in Ottawa while the conservatives put the PEI potato on the agenda along with the BC floods.

Both deserved attention but why were farmers and ranchers ignored?