Organic weeds! post local pics please

[WiltonRanch]

Common denominator of success with organic is having livestock and a majority of acres in perennial stands or short term covers utilized by the livestock. Sold a plow years ago to some ranchers doing just that, selling organic oats. Even such if that is the way they want it we’ll be hard pressed to feed ourselves.

[Landdownunder]

One chap here did it well.

Sowed on 15 inch rows.

Relying on cultivation of course.

Once crop was up and going used to cultivate again between the crows at say 5 leaf stage of crop.

Rare as rocking horse shit in my area being so dry.

[hedgehog]

I was organic farming for twenty years, and it is possible, but i was hampered by neighbouring land in trees and set aside that blew thistles and docks all over me.
90% of people that go organic have zero farming knowledge so are doomed to fail.
I still farm organic land, but i get paid to do it.
My own is conventional

[SASKFARMER]

Organic peas working to save man kind from starving.

**** me we will all be dead if we counted on these guys.

[blackpowder]

I don't know of any organic farms at all. Thought that was a pre bankruptcy trend from the 80s.
Grazing would be the only sustainable zero man made input agriculture I can think of for this area.

[TraderJoe]

I always wonder why the organic people generally do things the same and expect better results than the feeble efforts most put forth. Many start off using hay as a transition. Fine, Starts them out clean with decent fertility. And then the tillage and mining begins for twenty years.

Why not do a couple years of grain, a diverse cover crop, grazed intensively, back to alfalfa, couple years of grain? Why not sweet clover or alfalfa, or red clover for seed, rather than a plowdown or crazy summerfallow? Why not use a roller crimper instead of mass tillage implements? There are guys in the states using roller crispers following cover crops and no tilling into that mulch organically, why not here? Do better with less land because you can focus on it while a quarter of your land base is in hay?

Use fall rye and winter wheat to your advantage, stop trying to grow more than a couple years of grains with zero inputs.

Of course it’s always easy to look on the outside in, but simple half n half isn’t enough. I have grown some wild crops after alfalfa with no N, and minimal need to spray, often to the point of wondering if I should even spray. Same for rye and winter wheat, which beat most weeds by miles. With a little bit of care, one can keep former hayland wild oat free for many years.

It’s frustrating because I think it CAN be done better than 90% do it. I don’t get it I guess?

The absolute most important thing for success in organic farming is ROTATION. In that rotation you need to have cover crops involved for both weed management and nutrient input, which is also something we are seeing in conventional farming now as well. When you start to talk about regenerative/sustainable/carbon neutral, you are going to see organic production practices being implemented into conventional farming, but really only the ones that are actually working. The organic certifying bodies are supposed to be working with the producers to ensure that they are putting good rotations and practices in place, but all too often they are just there to take their money...
I have been working with both conv and organic over the past 30 years, and there are good and bad producers on both sides... it's just far more apparent when the organic ones are doing a sh** job...
Not saying don't rag on your neighbors that are growing more weeds than crop, just wanted to point a few things out...

[sumdumguy]

Parsley’s organic farm was awesome and I am pretty sure it was very profitable. Everything was row cultivated and beans podded like I’ve never seen and probably never will see again.👍 I’m sure Parsley could fill us in.

[Guest]

“Organic “ oat field !!
Should feed a couple people?

[Sheepwheat]

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“Organic “ oat field !!
Should feed a couple people?

Man, hey?

Not too far away there is a guy who ran cows on a half section of Stoney bush. A few years ago he ripped out the bush, and started seeding it. Organically. It is a terrible mess. Like your pictures but worse even. What a waste. He produced far more calories with the cows, used the poor land (grey wooded with nearly zero natural productivity), way better. Trying to eke out nitrogen from a half job of summerfallow, from soil with one or maybe two per cent OM max, is folly.

Further down the road, there is an organic oat crop, following alfalfa. Clean. Looks like it’ll do 80 or so IMO. Same soil type. Different amount of effort.

And it shows. THere is a better way. Too bad 90% don’t seem to realize it. Again, I don’t get it.

[Guest]

Most organic field weed messes are worked up here yet again
Crop ins must be lenient with them ?