Ev vehicles sask

yes his/her comments have really got me thinking
very intriguing , unlike chucky's constant name calling, greater than thou comments

[Hamloc]

True, but once the vehicle learns how to drive itself it can be used for many more hours per day.

https://youtu.be/Ui9qjDgVXco

First off I will thank AB4 for actually being willing to have an intelligent debate. Using a self driving car as a taxi while not in use is certainly an interesting idea. I am curious though how you feel this would affect the economy over all as this would certainly lower the number of cars needed to be purchased by consumers.

[Hamloc]

V2G will never really be a thing and here's why. A car is engineered to travel down a highway a 60+mph and be safe in an accident. The thermal system is designed to deal with temps between -40 and +40 under varying loads. EV should be autonomous and delivering rides for more hours of the day. What I'm saying is that your EV would be better utilized as a taxi moving people around instead of sitting at home being used as a stationary battery. The whole point of a stationary battery is that it is always connected. Harvest energy during surplus and expel energy during high demand times. When the utility has a network of internet connected stationary batteries it will be able to reinforce the stability of the grid much better. Trying to manage the grid with cars in a million different places that may or may not be plugged in and at different states of charge seems like a logistical nightmare.

You raise a very important point, if car’s batteries became an essential part of storing excess solar energy how could you assure enough were plugged into the grid to harvest the supposed excess energy? Also how would you reimburse consumers for shortening the effective life span of the battery in their vehicle? I agree that the stationary battery makes far more sense but again how do you reimburse consumers for taking care of the capital cost of energy storage? At present subsidies for solar installations only apply to grid tie installation and do not subsidize battery storage.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So now you have appointed yourself scorekeeper after your failed attempt at censorship and bullying. LOL

Would you prefer if no one keeps score? If so I would understand completely, since real world physics just scored another one, and you are still stuck at zero.
But how could I fail at something I have never attempted? I do not support censorship. I have publicly supported your right to come on here and embarrass yourself by spouting off about topics of which you don't have any clue about. Such as this one.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Millions upon millions of cars mostly making short commuter trips results in cars with all that expensive technology sitting and not doing much most of the day anyway. 23 hours parked, and less than 1 hour driving in many cases.

But they have a large battery that could have other uses. I am not sure what will happen, but it is part of the discussion as we decarbonize.

True, but once the vehicle learns how to drive itself it can be used for many more hours per day.

https://youtu.be/Ui9qjDgVXco

[AlbertaFarmer5]

“Usual suspects” “flat earthers” “etc” right outta the manual

It appears he should just stick with the flat Earth comments, it seems to be the only thing that he is good at, good thing he has the manual to back him up or he would probably even screw that up. Reality just earned another point, Chuck still zero.

Edit. I was wrong, apparently he can screw that up too, even with the manual as evidence by the double posting above.

[chuckChuck]

I just don't understand the concept of taking a useful vehicle and turning it into a stationary paperweight in your garage to power your house. A car has tires, wheels, brakes, air bags, sound system, air conditioning, aerodynamic design, battery pack that is designed to optimize energy to density. It just doesn't make sense to use it to power a house or grid. The stationary battery can be more efficient, have better latency, and more battery cycles. It just seems to me like using your iPhone as a hammer, like it kinda works but why?

Also hydrogen is a complete scam from a physics standpoint. Hydrogen has no place in the transportation sector. Diesel makes more sense than hydrogen imo.

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Millions upon millions of cars mostly making short commuter trips results in cars with all that expensive technology sitting and not doing much most of the day anyway. 23 hours parked, and less than 1 hour driving in many cases.

But they have a large battery that could have other uses. I am not sure what will happen, but it is part of the discussion as we decarbonize.

[chuckChuck]

Millions upon millions of cars mostly making short commuter trips results in cars with all that expensive technology sitting and not doing much most of the day anyway. 23 hours parked, and less than 1 hour driving in many cases.

But they have a large battery that could have other uses. I am not sure what will happen, but it is part of the discussion as we decarbonize.

“Usual suspects” “flat earthers” “etc” right outta the manual

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

A4 I really appreciate your perspective on EVs and renewable sources of electricity. We are on the same page there.

But I am not sure you are correct on the issue of whether EV batteries will be part of the smart grid storage in the future. Read the following Forbes article and let us know your thoughts.

Regardless EV batteries can store a tremendous amount of renewable energy that will probably be first and foremost used for transportation. As to whether they play a large role in supporting the electrical grid it is too soon to say. This a rapidly changing sector and who knows what the many players are planning to develop and use.

Electric Vehicle Batteries Will ‘Dwarf’ The Grid’s Energy-Storage Needs
Jeff McMahon
Jeff McMahonSenior Contributor

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2020/01/29/electric-vehicle-batteries-could-dwarf-the-grids-energy-storage-needs/?sh=eec854f59299

There will be more than enough batteries in electric vehicles by 2050 to support a grid that runs on solar and wind—if the two are connected by smart chargers, according to experts at the International Renewable Energy Agency.

Electric vehicles are expected to carry 40 terawatt-hours of battery storage by that date, said Francisco Boshell, IRENA’s team lead for renewable energy technology standards and markets, compared to nine terawatts of stationary storage.

“If we see this from not from a transport perspective but from a power-sector perspective it also means that a massive electricity storage capacity would be available with all these batteries on wheels,” Boshell said in webinar posted by IRENA this week. “Batteries in EVs dwarf a stationary battery capacity in 2050.... This is indeed a great opportunity for the power sector transformation.”

If those EV batteries are connected to the grid by smart chargers, they could not only provide sufficient power but also many of the system services needed by a grid that relies on intermittent renewables.

Those services include primary and secondary power reserves, fast-frequency reserves, arbitrage, voltage control, and congestion management through load shifting and peak shaving, said Arina Anisie, who collaborated with Boshell and other analysts on an IRENA report on the topic.

“Vehicle-to-grid makes a lot of sense in the sense that the cars are parked 90 percent of the time, and the battery is connected to the grid for such a long time that we can actually use the battery to offer some services back to the grid and help the grid increase flexibility and integrate a higher share of wind and solar,” said Anisie, an officer in IRENA’s renewable energy innovation team.

“So it would be a win-win situation for both the transport sector and the power sector.”

There are seeming incompatibilities between the two systems, Anisie said, but they are resolvable.

For example, drivers will prefer fast or ultra-fast chargers to minimize charging time, but a smart charging system works best with slow chargers.

“It really needs to change the behavior of the consumer to be able to harness the synergies between mobility and wind and solar,” she said, though there are technical ways to resolve the issue too, including battery swapping or buffer storage at charging stations.

“There are several options to actually to still install fast charging that is much needed, especially on the highways, but to mitigate the stress that it puts on the local grid.”

There are other driver-based obstacles, such as concerns about range anxiety and battery health in a vehicle that exchanges power with the grid.

But not integrating the two sectors could be more costly and problematic than integrating them.

A study of Hamburg’s grid by the engineering firm Stromnetz found that if 97 percent of the city’s vehicles were electric, the grid would experience congestion at 15 percent of its feeders.

Upgrading the grid to fix that problem would cost €20 million. But a grid operator with access to a smart charging system could resolve the congestion for only €2 million.

“It reduces congestion at a much lower cost than investing in the grid solution,” Anisie said.

Vehicle autonomy may present another challenge, Anisie said. The prospect of shared autonomous vehicles means far fewer vehicles would be needed overall, and each would be connected to the grid for less time, which could deprive the grid of this vast mobile battery.

Ainsie recommended public officials study these potential changes in the nature of mobility but meanwhile incentivize smart charging and promote electric vehicles and renewables together.

“Both should go hand in hand.”

I just don't understand the concept of taking a useful vehicle and turning it into a stationary paperweight in your garage to power your house. A car has tires, wheels, brakes, air bags, sound system, air conditioning, aerodynamic design, battery pack that is designed to optimize energy to density. It just doesn't make sense to use it to power a house or grid. The stationary battery can be more efficient, have better latency, and more battery cycles. It just seems to me like using your iPhone as a hammer, like it kinda works but why?

Also hydrogen is a complete scam from a physics standpoint. Hydrogen has no place in the transportation sector. Diesel makes more sense than hydrogen imo.