Ev vehicles sask

[chuckChuck]

I think that's doable but at -30 degrees 120volts doesn't do a lot. So what happens is you have to warm the battery up enough to charge. Inside a heated garage it's passable. So if you're using half the power to keep the battery warm and the other half to charge you are even slower. A higher charge rate works better because the extra power you are using is also warming the battery so you're killing 2 birds with 1 stone. If you have a panel in your garage or a welder plug (or even a dryer plug next to the garage) then you'd be laughing. Having a poor charging set up at home would be the difference between loving or hating EV ownership.

Thanks for the great information on your Tesla and how it works in cold weather.

[chuckChuck]

I will assume that is a no then?
We will just have to rely on Caseih who has confirmed that there are no panels in your yard.

So you and Case have never seen a farm anywhere with solar panels? And people who say they have them are lying? And I don't farm anywhere near Case. So how would he know?

You guys need to get out more! LOL

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

If you only ave. 1 hour/day driving would a 110 plug keep it charged the rest of the day ?

I think that's doable but at -30 degrees 120volts doesn't do a lot. So what happens is you have to warm the battery up enough to charge. Inside a heated garage it's passable. So if you're using half the power to keep the battery warm and the other half to charge you are even slower. A higher charge rate works better because the extra power you are using is also warming the battery so you're killing 2 birds with 1 stone. If you have a panel in your garage or a welder plug (or even a dryer plug next to the garage) then you'd be laughing. Having a poor charging set up at home would be the difference between loving or hating EV ownership.

[Old Cowzilla]

If you only ave. 1 hour/day driving would a 110 plug keep it charged the rest of the day ?

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

So for rural Sask and most other 80% of us in the “boonies “ how practical is this really?
There is a huge area outside the Edmonton to Calgary corridor for those those don’t get it . And I mean a huge area ......
Are we all going to need that $20,000 charging station , and heated garages for 4-5 months ? Because that’s not cheap and is astronomically expensive now . And about to become ridiculous with proposed further carbon tax’s let’s be honest

Also what going to be the “recycling fee” for thing promised like battery life like the scenario with windmills and solar panels... half life ???

Not being a party pooper but that’s an absolute reality

Oh when I said not much range I meant not AS much range. A warm battery will always out perform a cold battery. So lets say it's -20 and you get home and park outside in the cold. You plug in and go to bed. The car will know what time you need to leave the next day so it will charge the battery at the point where it will be completely charged by the time you want to leave. This is smarter than charging the battery immediately and letting it sit and get cold soaked. If you have to leave the car outside in the winter and don't have access to 4KW (16amps@240v) of power for charging an EV will not work very well for you.

As far as recycling goes they can recycle 921kWh of battery for every 1000kWh recycled. I'm not really too worried about my battery yet, I think it will last 350,000-400,000km. Drivetrain is validated to 1 million miles.

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

Does the battery heating continue while driving, or would that be a wash, with the energy required to heat the batteries being equal or even more than what would be gained in range?

I'm actually not sure to what extent the battery heats while driving. If you were to get in and go at -30 everything would work, you could put the pedal to the floor if you wanted but the output will be limited. As you drive the battery is being used and creates heat which warms itself up. One thing it will do to heat itself up is stall the rotors which will create heat in the coolant loop. The coolant loop flows through the battery pack, both motors, and the electronics system. So believe it or not there are coolant hoses connected to the cars computer. In the winter when you put a charging destination in the GPS it will see that you need to fast charge in a certain amount of time and it will begin to condition the battery (heat the pack if it's cold) and get it ready for maximum charging speed when you arrive.

[burnt]

So for rural Sask and most other 80% of us in the “boonies “ how practical is this really?
There is a huge area outside the Edmonton to Calgary corridor for those those don’t get it . And I mean a huge area ......
Are we all going to need that $20,000 charging station , and heated garages for 4-5 months ? Because that’s not cheap and is astronomically expensive now . And about to become ridiculous with proposed further carbon tax’s let’s be honest

Also what going to be the “recycling fee” for thing promised like battery life like the scenario with windmills and solar panels... half life ???

Not being a party pooper but that’s an absolute reality

Man, do I ever hate when some busybody destroys my pipe dreams with a dose of reality...

However if it's any reassurance, the elites will have their "needs" magically accommodated.

History shows that they always do.

[furrowtickler]

Yes a cold battery will not have as much range, or power, or regenerative braking. My car has resistive heating but the newer ones have a heat pump which is supposedly more energy efficient. So if you were leaving your car outside you'd just plug it in and then you can set it so that it always warms up by a certain time. If had it set as "ready to drive by 7am" it would be charged, preheated and ready to go at 7am (you can set it so that it only would do this monday-friday as well).

So for rural Sask and most other 80% of us in the “boonies “ how practical is this really?
There is a huge area outside the Edmonton to Calgary corridor for those those don’t get it . And I mean a huge area ......
Are we all going to need that $20,000 charging station , and heated garages for 4-5 months ? Because that’s not cheap and is astronomically expensive now . And about to become ridiculous with proposed further carbon tax’s let’s be honest

Also what going to be the “recycling fee” for thing promised like battery life like the scenario with windmills and solar panels... half life ???

Not being a party pooper but that’s an absolute reality

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Yes a cold battery will not have as much range, or power, or regenerative braking. My car has resistive heating but the newer ones have a heat pump which is supposedly more energy efficient. So if you were leaving your car outside you'd just plug it in and then you can set it so that it always warms up by a certain time. If had it set as "ready to drive by 7am" it would be charged, preheated and ready to go at 7am (you can set it so that it only would do this monday-friday as well).

Does the battery heating continue while driving, or would that be a wash, with the energy required to heat the batteries being equal or even more than what would be gained in range?

[ALBERTAFARMER4]

So preheating the cabin, defrosting the windows etc before you depart in the winter should be much more energy efficient than ice. Stairs no such thing as running the engine to warm up the engine and powertrain and cabin. No need for block heater.
Although I believe I read somewhere that keeping the batteries heated in the winter time helps a lot with range, so there is a trade off there.

Yes a cold battery will not have as much range, or power, or regenerative braking. My car has resistive heating but the newer ones have a heat pump which is supposedly more energy efficient. So if you were leaving your car outside you'd just plug it in and then you can set it so that it always warms up by a certain time. If had it set as "ready to drive by 7am" it would be charged, preheated and ready to go at 7am (you can set it so that it only would do this monday-friday as well).