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  • biglentil
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2015
    • 3300

    #21
    Commodities have gone parabolic or if nearly everything is rising in price aren't dollars losing purchasing power? Hmm
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    • errolanderson
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2012
      • 3150

      #22
      Another Chinese property developer collapsed yesterday afternoon in Hong Kong (dropping a massive 87%) before it was halted.

      Shanghai based developer SINIC HOLDINGS HK:2103 is racing with Evergrande to the bottom. Get ready for a banking crisis in HK & China.

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      • ajl
        Senior Member
        • May 2008
        • 3262

        #23
        The hyperinflationary part of the cycle is likely done as it occurred this spring. The globalist do want to replace the dollar but market forces may intervene. We are lucky this year in that we don't need china to buy any more canola however if production recovers next year could see $8 canola again (imagine that with super high inputs) since china will not be able to buy much as it is broke. China has already resold a lot of $12 canola for $20 including my contract which I delivered yesterday. Debt defaults are deflationary as they make dollars disappear from the system. Next year at this time we could be facing real problems like starvation rather than fake ones like covid and global warming.

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        • errolanderson
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2012
          • 3150

          #24
          Originally posted by jazz View Post
          Errol, sources say Blackrock is the biggest holder of this firm.

          The same firm buying up blocks of real estate in the US and runs ETF exchanges.

          I suspect a bailout is being prepped.
          Jazz, major entry into U.S. markets. More commodity trouble, more equity trouble straight ahead (IMO).

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          • beaverdam
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2018
            • 1451

            #25
            https://twitter.com/FabiusMercurius/status/1440411706543407110

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            • farming101
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 3955

              #26
              Originally posted by ajl View Post
              The hyperinflationary part of the cycle is likely done as it occurred this spring. The globalist do want to replace the dollar but market forces may intervene. We are lucky this year in that we don't need china to buy any more canola however if production recovers next year could see $8 canola again (imagine that with super high inputs) since china will not be able to buy much as it is broke. China has already resold a lot of $12 canola for $20 including my contract which I delivered yesterday. Debt defaults are deflationary as they make dollars disappear from the system. Next year at this time we could be facing real problems like starvation rather than fake ones like covid and global warming.
              r a p e seed spot price is $26.85/bu CAD in China. If they're reselling it, it is on the street in Zhengzhou

              Inflation will continue. Dollars lost are easily replaced

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              • AlbertaFarmer5
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 12577

                #27
                Originally posted by farming101 View Post
                r a p e seed spot price is $26.85/bu CAD in China. If they're reselling it, it is on the street in Zhengzhou

                Inflation will continue. Dollars lost are easily replaced
                And how does that compare to a normal year? Roughly $7 higher than spot price on the prairies, that should far more than cover freight, and elevation?

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                • farming101
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 3955

                  #28
                  Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                  And how does that compare to a normal year? Roughly $7 higher than spot price on the prairies, that should far more than cover freight, and elevation?
                  Below is a chart comparing the Canola 5 year futures to China futures market. Canola in blue, left hand scale. Canola in CAD. Note the China data is an indicator only. Hardly traded. Should all be in USD to screen out currency fluctuations
                  Sorry for going off thread topic.
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                  • AlbertaFarmer5
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 12577

                    #29
                    Originally posted by farming101 View Post
                    Below is a chart comparing the Canola 5 year futures to China futures market. Canola in blue, left hand scale. Canola in CAD. Note the China data is an indicator only. Hardly traded. Should all be in USD to screen out currency fluctuations
                    Sorry for going off thread topic.
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                    Thanks for that. So without working out the currency differences over this period, it appears that the blue line only briefly goes above the black over the past 5 years. We are above now, so likely not competitive, unless their futures go up as well.

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                    • farming101
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 3955

                      #30
                      Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                      Thanks for that. So without working out the currency differences over this period, it appears that the blue line only briefly goes above the black over the past 5 years. We are above now, so likely not competitive, unless their futures go up as well.
                      AS you noted in post #27 it should still arbitrage. Just not as lucrative

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