Alberta Sheeple

[biglentil]

Mandated monthly jabs. Sure why not?

[jazz]

So we are right back to don't overwhelm the health care system.

Well I call bullshit that our health care system can't handle a few extra people in the hospital. What's the specialized equipment a covid patient needs. A ventilator and some drugs. Are the nurses holding their hands. Are the operating rooms filled with covid patients? Are heart and brain surgeons being enlisted to look after covid patients? I call BULLSHIT.

And any health care system that can't handle a temporary bump in patients isn't worth shit on the first place. Maybe 18 months ago when this all started they might have added some extra beds or something.

When I went to emerg a year ago for an infection the place was empty. Guess what they were treating in there? Druggie and drunk fight night capped off with a drunk driver and some yuppie **** who broke his femur rock climbing. Add in the cops bringing in some young offenders who ran thru a barb wire fence trying to escape. They all got treated.

I expect no less for people getting covid.

[Taiga]

That Nobel Prize For Medicine winning Ivermectin really scares Agstar/FF/DML/Chuckles/Tweeter.

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Africa

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Maybe AF5 can explain better seeing as he liked your comparison.

sorry to disappoint you dml. I only join these threads occasionally for entertainment purposes, I have no expectations that I am going to learn valuable medical advice nor dispense it on an Agricultural marketing forum.
About the extent of my contributions to the covid threads are to make fun of Chuck and agstar or point out blatant mathematical errors or known fake news.
But I still enjoy a good debate, and since no one seems to be willing to have any meaningful conversations about agriculture on here, I find myself reading these ones and liking posts when someone makes a good point on either side of the argument.

[flea beetle]

So how come it was ok to use infectivity (cases) vs death to show lethality in your case, but not mine? You can’t have it both ways!

[flea beetle]

Whaaa! Someone used the provided like button.ðŸ˜

Is that you foragefarmer?

[biglentil]

Saving lives is a primary goal. And not just preventing deaths from Covid. If hospitals are overrun with Covid cases, surgeries are posponed, accident victims cannot be cared for, heart attack deaths increase, as do overdose deaths.

The fact is Covid is a novel disease for which humans had no antibodies. In order to protect the health care system masking, and social distancing was implemented. Countries like New Zealand which were very proactive were very successful in stopping transmission, lowering case numbers, and preventing deaths. Countries like Brazil which denied the disease was dangerous ended up with huge case numbers and deaths. And countries like the US that tried to implement measures to stop transmission but who had a large portion of the population who resisted any and all measures ended up with huge death numbers too. The same thing in Canada. Some communities where the disease was denied ended up with inordinate numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths compared to communities where measures were followed.

Fortunately vaccines were developed which provide another tool. Vaccines are effective in that they reduce hospitalizations and deaths. This chart was just been released from CDC that shows hospitalization rates are 17 times higher for unvaxed. Yes, there can be breakthrough infections but those infections rarely need hospitalizations. If everyone was vaxed, we could treat Covid like the flu and get on with life. But the large population of unvaxed means there is still the possibility of overwhelming the health care system so we can look forward to more masking and lockdowns thanks entirely to the unvaxed.

Yes saving lives is important, that is why governments are doing everything they can to protect the health care systems. Protection of the health care system has always been the number one priority of all Covid measures and continues to be so. Saving lives, and not just from Covid, is a direct benefit of these policies. That is why responsible, critical thinking, adults get the vaccine. For the good of themselves and society.

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A data set from Jan when less than 5% of the population was vaxed in the height of cold and flu til July, the seasonal low. Talk about a 🍒 picked data set to obfuscate the truth for the sheeple.

[dmlfarmer]

“you can’t infer infectivity by number of cases”

Isn’t that the definition of infectivity? Lol

quote the entire statement, not just pull out the first few words on my statement to make your point. How can you compare infectivity of two diseases when one has measures to reduce transmission and other dosent? Maybe AF5 can explain better seeing as he liked your comparison.

[dmlfarmer]

Now dont parse words dml. Saving lives is the goal. Isnt that right? Being safe and healthy trumps all other measures right? Your own govt officials and medical experts have said so. 1 covid death is too many, well then 100 heart disease deaths should have us up in arms, right?

Or is it the speed of the death thats the problem. Heart disease is too slow to worry about. Well then we have drug over doses that are pretty instantaneous and our docs have even prescribed some of the killer drugs themselves. Sasks overdoses have dwarfed its covid deaths. Why dont we lock drug addicts away in a room until they are clean?

Saving lives is a primary goal. And not just preventing deaths from Covid. If hospitals are overrun with Covid cases, surgeries are posponed, accident victims cannot be cared for, heart attack deaths increase, as do overdose deaths.

The fact is Covid is a novel disease for which humans had no antibodies. In order to protect the health care system masking, and social distancing was implemented. Countries like New Zealand which were very proactive were very successful in stopping transmission, lowering case numbers, and preventing deaths. Countries like Brazil which denied the disease was dangerous ended up with huge case numbers and deaths. And countries like the US that tried to implement measures to stop transmission but who had a large portion of the population who resisted any and all measures ended up with huge death numbers too. The same thing in Canada. Some communities where the disease was denied ended up with inordinate numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths compared to communities where measures were followed.

Fortunately vaccines were developed which provide another tool. Vaccines are effective in that they reduce hospitalizations and deaths. This chart was just been released from CDC that shows hospitalization rates are 17 times higher for unvaxed. Yes, there can be breakthrough infections but those infections rarely need hospitalizations. If everyone was vaxed, we could treat Covid like the flu and get on with life. But the large population of unvaxed means there is still the possibility of overwhelming the health care system so we can look forward to more masking and lockdowns thanks entirely to the unvaxed.

Yes saving lives is important, that is why governments are doing everything they can to protect the health care systems. Protection of the health care system has always been the number one priority of all Covid measures and continues to be so. Saving lives, and not just from Covid, is a direct benefit of these policies. That is why responsible, critical thinking, adults get the vaccine. For the good of themselves and society.