media and the BTOs and a rant

[jazz]

The argument they’ve had some good years doesn’t “fly” with me, pretty sure Air Canada had some great years leading into Covid and they still couldn’t afford to refund money they had already taken???? Figure that one out!!!

Think about it another way. Any time you rely on govt for funding, they exert more control over that industry. Those companies are basically zombies and wouldnt exist a second in a competitive market. The maritimes fishery is a caretaker industry now too. Auto industry will be that too soon.

Our oil, ag and mining are only entrepreneurial sectors left in this country and I would hate to risk that for some temp payout. I would much rather Trudeau ignore us.

[bucket]

You mean the oil and gas sector that's leaving the clean up for government funding...

Even Brad Wall was asking for help on that front but he called it job creation but did the wells actually get cleaned up?????

[BreadWinner]

I think for most on here it been hard buying into the climate change hype, me included. But is extreme heat, drought, floods etc the farmers fault? Im not so sure. The government is has a plan to help everyone effected by disasters and that should include farmers that provide food for the world. It makes sense to me!!!!!
Google "Report warns of ‘large gaps’ in Canada’s preparedness for climate change disasters" and see if agriculture or rural Canada is ever mentioned. Nope just Urban disasters are being looked after not the bread and butter that keeps mankind alive. It will be tough for us conservative types but I think if Farmers want to have their backsides protected we might need to start drumming the climate change drum. We may have to start asking "why not us" we pay the carbon taxes and many other taxes that help everyone else in this country. Why are farmers climate change disasters not as important as rising sea levels or forest fires.

[bucket]

I think for most on here it been hard buying into the climate change hype, me included. But is extreme heat, drought, floods etc the farmers fault? Im not so sure. The government is has a plan to help everyone effected by disasters and that should include farmers that provide food for the world. It makes sense to me!!!!!
Google "Report warns of ‘large gaps’ in Canada’s preparedness for climate change disasters" and see if agriculture or rural Canada is ever mentioned. Nope just Urban disasters are being looked after not the bread and butter that keeps mankind alive. It will be tough for us conservative types but I think if Farmers want to have their backsides protected we might need to start drumming the climate change drum. We may have to start asking "why not us" we pay the carbon taxes and many other taxes that help everyone else in this country. Why are farmers climate change disasters not as important as rising sea levels or forest fires.

Not to be an argument but i read something about the wobble of the moon to affect flooding in areas of the earth. ...how is trudeau types going to control that?

As far as this drought its happened before ...When Palliser surveyed it was dry...1930s 1961, 1988 2002 and now today..

The only way out prior was for government to help no different than every other sector receives..

You can't have protein industries canada handing out money like crazy and have no farmers willing to lose money growing the product they need.

[BreadWinner]

Thanks Bucket you are proving my point I can give many examples why I don't think its actually climate change but why do we as farmers do this? Every other industry is using the "climate change" tool as a way to help their industry, but not farmers. Why not?

[bucket]

Thanks Bucket you are proving my point I can give many examples why I don't think its actually climate change but why do we as farmers do this? Every other industry is using the "climate change" tool as a way to help their industry, but not farmers. Why not?

Lack of leadership and better programs.

As an example....the 420 million to Algoma was to convert to electric arc under a lower carbon emissions..

Yet if you look at EVraz they have been using electric arc for 60 years and most of the industry is...probably greater than 40 percent threshold for the carbon programs.

Farmers are exempt from carbon programs because no til is a 75 percent accepted practice ...greater than 40 percent threshold they have used .


Farm groups missed the Algoma announcement but are patting the government on the back for a tax deferral for the cattle guys....without even looking at the implication of losing well managed herds.

This is end of the line for some cattle herds... no money can bring them back.

[agstar77]

Suck it up BTO . Pay exorbitant land prices and rent just to be bigger . Well figure it out. CI and ag stability. Buy the biggest and newest equipment , there is a price to pay. Cattle operators do need assistance. Provinces should have gone for improved agstability. Nature is a cruel master.

[BreadWinner]

Cattle producers might get a tax deferral or a buyout option but keeping cattle producers doesn’t fit into the climate change adjenda. Its a sad bullshit pill to take but it’s probably a reality. The science has spoken, haven’t you heard. Not good times ahead for the cattle producers.

[bucket]

Pretty frustrating that they could develop programs within a week of the pandemic.

Yet with all the issues we have had farming they have developed a program that is easily accessible when disasters happen instead of worrying about how much is in a fund for such things.

Agri-invest for the most part could be cleaned out in a week and it still wouldn't be enough for 90 percent of western Canadian farmers.

[BreadWinner]

Talking about Agriinvest, I wonder how much of the money still in accounts are retired guys and landlords? I have 2 landlords that want a crop share because they can’t quit farming or they will loose the agri invest gravy. They won’t cash it out either because they are on full pension and would cost them to do so.