UBI, the plan way out of govt debt

[jazz]

One more thought and flame away.
I wonder if the EI rules for fisherman ruined the east coast?

East coast fisheries were decimated when the govt prevented them from fishing for a generation, only to have them drop out onto permanent assistance through welfare, EI and transfer payments.

Now china fishes off the coast and processes that food in their home country and exports it here and nobody worries about fish stocks anymore and now there are 2M dependent maritimers that vote liberal.

[Old Cowzilla]

East coast fishermen realized that E.I. was destroying their future so they left for the oil patch to make a future for themselves and families only to see our government destroy it again. I wonder who they will vote for next time ?

[blackpowder]

So you guys know some maritimers, good.
Love em just cant live with em lol.
Next question. I realize this only works in smaller towns.
Think of all the un or under employed. Now think of those always busy doing something.
Is it always the same people?

[Old Cowzilla]

Always the same 1/2 dozen people organizing things in town . Those folks never sleep !

[blackpowder]

Now to any one who has spent a little time surfing govt websites.
IF they could boil every single catch phrase program in the books into one.
The only requirement an ID card. OOps the border will get busy.
Anyway one system, no hoops, no loopholes. No ad hoc. Equal across the country. But the govt cant even think that way. Heck, half would be unemployed themselves.
Maybe that would be cheaper. But never happen that way.

[burnt]

Always the same 1/2 dozen people organizing things in town . Those folks never sleep !

Look up "Price's Law".

This is a profound truth -

[GDR]

East coast fishermen realized that E.I. was destroying their future so they left for the oil patch to make a future for themselves and families only to see our government destroy it again. I wonder who they will vote for next time ?

I think that's a trick question!


I'll go with...Liberal

[furrowtickler]

No society on earth has progressed by having non productive citizens, in fact those societies and countries fail ....
get productive people to work , don’t pay them to be non productive.
We are heading down a self destructive path with UBI .

[AlbertaFarmer5]

No society on earth has progressed by having non productive citizens, in fact those societies and countries fail ....
get productive people to work , don’t pay them to be non productive.
We are heading down a self destructive path with UBI .

But what if society and technology has progressed to the point where all of our needs and wants can be met when only a small fraction of people are working, thanks to abundant energy, automation, efficiency, productivity etc. Right now we have people working for the sake of working, driving down our productivity, and dragging down our standard of living, while inflating the cost of everything we do.

The catch is how do you motivate those few whose skills are needed, and keep the rest occupied enough to find meaning in their lives.

[jazz]

No society on earth has progressed by having non productive citizens, in fact those societies and countries fail ....
get productive people to work , don’t pay them to be non productive.
We are heading down a self destructive path with UBI .

I dont think thats totally correct. Many kingdoms and monarchies had very few productive people in the lower tiers. They were called serfs for a reason. They had an army, owned all the land and had a fortified castle and a compliant population and they lasted a long time.

Capitalism is actually a fairly new construct. I dont think Rome was a capitalist society at all. It was expansionist empire with totalitarian rule.