is the free ride over for grid tied solar?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I thought the vaccines were stored in liquid nitrogen? Last I checked, I didn't have to plug in my dewar....and the semen seems to work ok 👌

And therein lies the hazard of delving into areas where I don't possess any expertise, I end up making dumb mistakes and reducing my credibility to that of chuck discussing climate or energy.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
So what are the electric freezers for?
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/inside-the-ultracold-freezers-that-will-house-covid-19-vaccines/ https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/inside-the-ultracold-freezers-that-will-house-covid-19-vaccines/

[tweety]

Thanks for responding, I agree.
Now, do you propose that all consumers get burdened with that cost, or just the irresponsible ones such as Chuck, who were hoping for a perpetual free ride on our backs?

Do you see any way that any energy intensive industry could function under this scenario, or will they all have to continue moving to China or elsewhere?

Burdened with which cost?

[tweety]

To bring this out of the theoretical and into the here and now real world; on top of our regularly scheduled climate crisis, we are in the midst of an unscheduled Covid crisis. With people in hospitals, in ICU, on ventilators, plus we have a vaccine that needs to be kept in freezers at -70 degrees.
So according to the above mentioned method of rationing demand so that it matches supply, hospitals will need to find a way to shut off the ventilators when the sun goes behind a cloud, or sets, the vaccine freezers will just have to thaw out every night.
This is how it works with unreliable electricity in most of the 3rd world. People especially babies die in hospitals when their power randomly goes out.
Or is one crisis more of an emergency than the other?

Power and how it is generated away from peak production enhanced by solar wouldn't change. Just the price. All its doing is providing an incentive to use power when solar comes strong online.

Until storage gets better, changing habits is probably much easier then batteries. That will be the next game changer is energy storage, then these programs would be less required - but still make sense to use the power when its being pumped and not relying on storage for the majority.

No one is talking 100% renewable behind the scenes, not for a long time. The latest news in geothermal for example is bringing that long time certainly closer and closer. Give it 30 years to mature, you don't go from a stationary steam powered thrashing machine to an S690 in 1 year.

[farming101]

And therein lies the hazard of delving into areas where I don't possess any expertise, I end up making dumb mistakes and reducing my credibility to that of chuck discussing climate or energy.
Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
So what are the electric freezers for?
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/inside-the-ultracold-freezers-that-will-house-covid-19-vaccines/ https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/discussion/inside-the-ultracold-freezers-that-will-house-covid-19-vaccines/

Well then just do a web search....and Voila! instant authority on anything!

A cursory search indicates dry ice, solid CO2, (darn pollution again) is used to facilitate transport of the vaccine. Special freezers at distribution hubs and vaccination centers will be used to store the vaccine at the correct temperature. No mention of liquid N

[tweety]

Can you imagine how cold it would have to be without the modified nucleosides and lipid nanoparticles!!!

The Moderna is good for minus 20 because the candy smarties coating (nanoparticles) is much thicker/better then the pfizer. No one likes melted smarties.

[Hamloc]

Power and how it is generated away from peak production enhanced by solar wouldn't change. Just the price. All its doing is providing an incentive to use power when solar comes strong online.

Until storage gets better, changing habits is probably much easier then batteries. That will be the next game changer is energy storage, then these programs would be less required - but still make sense to use the power when its being pumped and not relying on storage for the majority.

No one is talking 100% renewable behind the scenes, not for a long time. The latest news in geothermal for example is bringing that long time certainly closer and closer. Give it 30 years to mature, you don't go from a stationary steam powered thrashing machine to an S690 in 1 year.

I am still a little perplexed tweety, in December and January on the sunniest winter day there is what 6 hours of sunlight to produce solar power yet my furnace and my waterers require power 24 hrs. a day. So I get lower priced power during the day but I am penalized for not wanting to freeze to death and keep my waterers thawed out?! How do people that work 9-5 take advantage of this? Your belief that this is sound public policy truly baffles me!

[Zephyr]

I am still a little perplexed tweety, in December and January on the sunniest winter day there is what 6 hours of sunlight to produce solar power yet my furnace and my waterers require power 24 hrs. a day. So I get lower priced power during the day but I am penalized for not wanting to freeze to death and keep my waterers thawed out?! How do people that work 9-5 take advantage of this? Your belief that this is sound public policy truly baffles me!

Insulated Thermal tube waterers need no, or very little power to keep frost free.

Get a battery. Store cheap power use it when it's expensive. Smart fridges and freezers can run compressors when power is cheap, etc etc.

[TASFarms]

Don’t think the cost of the battery would be feasible.

[Guest]

Insulated Thermal tube waterers need no, or very little power to keep frost free.

Get a battery. Store cheap power use it when it's expensive. Smart fridges and freezers can run compressors when power is cheap, etc etc.

or just use what we already have

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I am still a little perplexed tweety, in December and January on the sunniest winter day there is what 6 hours of sunlight to produce solar power yet my furnace and my waterers require power 24 hrs. a day. So I get lower priced power during the day but I am penalized for not wanting to freeze to death and keep my waterers thawed out?! How do people that work 9-5 take advantage of this? Your belief that this is sound public policy truly baffles me!

Unfortunately, some days those 6 hours are 10 time lower than others, and closer to 5 hours right now in December.