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  • farmaholic
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 17471

    #11
    Originally posted by wiseguy
    Yous leaving money on the table

    Fertilize to the max

    You cant loose

    She all goes 50 even with out July Rain !

    Give er !
    Remember what I said about being all in last spring? Not a good feeling when it isn't raining.

    And all those nutrients are stranded 4 inches away from the seedrow in a "midrow" band while roots are growing down not lateral chasing moisture.

    🤔😉😉😉😉😉😉😛😠

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    • AlbertaFarmer5
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 12480

      #12
      So what is the consensus on nutrient availability from straw chopped in no-till cropping? Different sources indicate different portions are eventually available again, vs. lost to the atmosphere.

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      • TASFarms
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2014
        • 1338

        #13
        One good rain can wash all the potash out of the straw.

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        • AlbertaFarmer5
          Senior Member
          • Oct 2010
          • 12480

          #14
          Originally posted by TASFarms View Post
          One good rain can wash all the potash out of the straw.
          And wash get into the soil or wash it away?

          I am more concerned about the nitrogen. Some sources indicate that a large portion of the N gets volatized and lost, Unless it is Incorporated.

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          • Ab7
            Member
            • Sep 2018
            • 60

            #15
            Originally posted by farming101 View Post
            Zero soil moisture. Will put down enough at seeding for about 30 I'm thinking
            Who counts straw nutrient uptake if you don't remove the straw?
            That’s obviously for people who are removing the straw.
            Duh

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            • farming101
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 3953

              #16
              Originally posted by Ab7 View Post
              That’s obviously for people who are removing the straw.
              Duh
              Okay makes sense now.
              Just that nobody removes canola straw round here

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              • farmaholic
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2010
                • 17471

                #17
                Originally posted by Ab7 View Post
                That’s obviously for people who are removing the straw.
                Duh
                Gotta grow it before you can remove it.

                Gotta have enough nutrients for the grain production and the straw, root and leaf biomass as well.

                Glad we get to leave our residue behind to help build soil and it's structure.

                A good thatch can even help preserve moisture in dry springs.

                Wet years it can turn into a Petri dish of fungal disease, oh well, enter vertical tillage(time and place).

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                • helmsdale
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2014
                  • 2127

                  #18
                  the stover number still matters... You have to grow the straw in the current year.

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                  • WiltonRanch
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 4512

                    #19
                    Originally posted by helmsdale View Post
                    the stover number still matters... You have to grow the straw in the current year.
                    Exactly and if you rely on mineralization too much without investing something back into your portfolio, the interest dwindles to nothing. Some of my challenging soils are solonetzic and most soil test regimes recommended do not pan out if other factors aren’t in your favour. All I know is keep the soil covered, leave residue, add residue (feed cows on it), fertilize for a realistic yield, and don’t grow barley.

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                    • TOM4CWB
                      Senior Member
                      • Dec 2000
                      • 16511

                      #20
                      Originally posted by TASFarms View Post
                      One good rain can wash all the potash out of the straw.
                      One good thunderstorm can add 50ib/ac n in crop year.... A good pea crop can add another 100b/ac n the next 3 years... plus soil conditioning / nutrient avaliability/uptake is increased... 60bu/ac pea crop well chopped and spread= huge productivity gains after that pulse crop... fabas not so much...

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