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[malleefarmer]

analysisOf on levelised cost of electricity which includes operating as well as investment costs, and is the best way known to compare the costs of different technologies, like fossil fuel plants which require relatively low capital costs, but higher operating expenses and wind and solar which require high capital outlays but low operating expenses.
Hence the need for govt subsidize costs of solar.

Either way govt pays via taxpayer or raise the costs to consumers so playing field is level ifvthere is such a thing.

Our state highest RES in Australia most exoensive electricity.

We also have third highest uranium reserves.

The other oft forgotten issues is replacement sure coal and gas energy plants need replacing but guys i know albiet only 3 thus far have had to replace there whole solar system after 15 yrs average. 25 yr guarentee etc errr the company that intstalled it is long gone.

Best technology hardware etc isgerman or danish comes at a premium though more than double “Comparable” chinese systems.

Conundrum andhonestly most australians are sick of whole thing justcwant cheap power nomatter were it comes from hybrid system of some sort or nuclear but that wont happen anytime soon.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, this is where oneoff's saying, if you put enough horsepower behind anything it will fly comes in. In this case, money.
Most expensive electricity in the world is a small side effect:
https://electricityandgas.com.au/article/aussies-paying-highest-energy-prices-in-the-world/ https://electricityandgas.com.au/article/aussies-paying-highest-energy-prices-in-the-world/
As are billions in subsidies :
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://stopthesethings.com/tag/cost-of-australias-renewable-subsidies/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiNkoyy5_3rAhUJpZ4KHcwZCB4QFjANegQ ICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3INvoA4fJ-bPn14yANLwmW https://www.google.com/url?q=https://stopthesethings.com/tag/cost-of-australias-renewable-subsidies/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiNkoyy5_3rAhUJpZ4KHcwZCB4QFjANegQ ICBAB&usg=AOvVaw3INvoA4fJ-bPn14yANLwmW

As are brownouts and blackouts and rationing.
Now telling people not to use air conditioning if they are working from home this summer, since the grid can't handle it.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/why-working-from-home-could-spark-power-disaster-down-under/12667814 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-09-21/why-working-from-home-could-spark-power-disaster-down-under/12667814

[chuckChuck]

See the gross ignorance in Chuck's post #60 as an example of what I am talking about. A wholly government owned utility is mandating expanding renewables way past the point of complete grid destabilization, and shills like Chuck just repeat it ad nauseum, as if repetition is somehow going to make all the technical hurdles magically disappear.

This is the type of ignorant misinformation, and the useful idiots we are up against, and the reason why some of us make the effort to point out the absurdity and shortcomings of such wishful thinking.

Here is one hurdle, I hadn't checked ASEO for months, so I had a look this AM. Wind generation in Alberta is currently at ~7% of nameplate capacity and falling steadily all morning so far. As we pointed out last winter, it fell to zero sometimes. Solar was 0 until after 8 AM today. If grid scale battery storage existed at at cost that could be remotely competetive with fossil fuels, then these periods would be a non issue. A recent MIT study found that storage costs need to decline by a full order of magnitude to be competitive.
As Oneoff likes to say, anything is possible if you put enough horsepower behind it. Or in this case, taxpayer dollars, and consumer extortion. Can sask reach 50% average.? Definitely. Will that reduce CO2 output, or fossil fuel consumption when it all needs to be backed up by fossil fuels? Will anyone be able to afford the electricity coming out the other end?

Australia has a way more wind and solar than Saskatchewan will have and their system operator said they can handle 60 70 % from renewables. Yes there are issues like how to compensate failing coal suppliers but many of the technical issues are manageable and will become e much more manageable as we use storage and smart grid applications. The operator also said solar and wind are the cheapest generation sources.

Fossil fuels also have hidden environmental and health costs which are not included in their pricing. They are also subsidized in various ways so when you add it all up they are not as cheap as you think they are. But you don’t want to discuss these issues! Haha

[jazz]

I checked a few more times lately. As low as 10 MW, up to 17 MW. At 10 MW, that is meeting 0.01% of Alberta's demand..

But those windfarms are creating a billion terawatts of virtue signaling.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I checked a few more times lately. As low as 10 MW, up to 17 MW. At 10 MW, that is meeting 0.01% of Alberta's demand. Name plate would be almost 20%. California decommissioned a lot of conventional plants thinking wind and solar would replace them, with resulting blackouts and exorbitant price increases , fortunately AB hasn't yet done so.

[furrowtickler]

And dropping, wind now down to 0.02% of generation. When I saw those low numbers last winter I thought maybe it was just an anomaly during the cold weather. Apparently not so.

Wind always blows .... lol

[AlbertaFarmer5]

And dropping, wind now down to 0.02% of generation. When I saw those low numbers last winter I thought maybe it was just an anomaly during the cold weather. Apparently not so.

[LEP]

I'm not a farmer, thought you knew that.

That explains alot.

[furrowtickler]

I'm not a farmer, thought you knew that.

BTW, today is Tesla battery day. Solid state 400 whrs/kg? Maybe? No more lithium? Exciting. Waiting eagerly.

But how’s your planter working then ?? Lol

[tweety]

The only reason you guys farm ..... hmmm speaks volumes

BTW I agree with you post 👍
The last part is telling though

I'm not a farmer, thought you knew that.

BTW, today is Tesla battery day. Solid state 400 whrs/kg? Maybe? No more lithium? Exciting. Waiting eagerly.