Tesla Megapack

[the big wheel]

Sounds really impressive. A total of 1930 MWh of storage instead of fossil fuel peaker plants running on standby 24/7.

For perspective that equates to 4 minutes of California electricity usage. So it buys enough time to perhaps spin up the fossil fuel back up plants, instead of having to leave them on all the time? Or enough time to institute the rolling blackouts before the grid collapses?

Recall a thread about a year ago, where I learned that completely off grid solar powered well sites require 3 MONTHS of battery storage to ensure there is no downtime. California would be somewhat better due to their geographic locatio. But using the 3 months, they only need to build 33,000 storage facilities of this scale to achieve uninterrupted electricity supply in all conditions. Does anyone care to do the math on the availability of the rare earth elements required for that?

That’s at yesterday’s technology. People thought an electric vehicle was not possible not so long ago.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, maybe you need to pass on your vital piece of information to Californians then, since they didn’t get the same memo you got. They are legislating 100% decarbonization by 2045.

Senate Bill (SB) 100 established a landmark policy requiring renewable energy and zero-carbon resources supply 100 percent of electric retail sales to end-use customers by 2045

So is it them who are the flat earth boneheads, or you for denying their own legislation?

[chuckChuck]

The flat earthers seem to always have the bonehead idea that it’s either renewables or fossil fuels. Here is some news in case you missed it, we are going to be using both For the foreseeable future and maybe Alberta can use it’s gas reserves for hydrogen as well.

Meanwhile “Marxist” Saskatchewan is installing new gas capacity, lots of wind, importing more hydro and maybe using CCS again on a coal plant to meet CO2 reduction commitments.

And now A5 can tell us In Saskatchewan that none of it will work nor is it needed because we are going to run out of CO2 at some unspecified date in the future! Hahaha Call Saskpower and Scott Moe to stop the insanity!!

[jazz]

Why would people work so hard and so fruitlessly to replace the one thing that has propelled mankind to new heights. Makes no sense.

Tesla will not work until a few single solar panels on homes works because the grid cannot feed electric vehicles without a major upgrade and its all underground in major cities. And a few solar panels will not work unless you live in Arizona. Chicken chasing egg.

[macdon02]

The wealth of a country is measured by the productivity of its people, look at Japan in the 70s and 80s post WW2, zero resources but motivated young population, incredible manufacturing and tech. We are going to take everything we have accomplished and pay people to watch netflix and incur debt worldwide to fund it. Zero productivity, maximum debt. Idle hands, leads to civil unrest as currently being seen. We don't need resources to be wealthy but we better have a plan of putting people to work full time or the Riel Rebellion will look like a "social gathering". There's too many gaps in the planning of this Great Reset.

[Taiga]

Don’t wreck tweeters/WD9 moral superiority moment.

God damn details always get in the way of leftard pipe dreams , lol, as chuck would say

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Sounds really impressive. A total of 1930 MWh of storage instead of fossil fuel peaker plants running on standby 24/7.

For perspective that equates to 4 minutes of California electricity usage. So it buys enough time to perhaps spin up the fossil fuel back up plants, instead of having to leave them on all the time? Or enough time to institute the rolling blackouts before the grid collapses?

Recall a thread about a year ago, where I learned that completely off grid solar powered well sites require 3 MONTHS of battery storage to ensure there is no downtime. California would be somewhat better due to their geographic locatio. But using the 3 months, they only need to build 33,000 storage facilities of this scale to achieve uninterrupted electricity supply in all conditions. Does anyone care to do the math on the availability of the rare earth elements required for that?

[Taiga]

That’s energy storage (battery bank).
Energy creation is different and still needed.
Also lithium mining is hugely destructive and polluting, and a finite resource. But who cares.

[macdon02]

What’s being missed about alternative energy is that it will improve its efficiency with time. One of the reasons it hasn’t forwarded as much as it should have is that world leaders recognize once oil isn’t king many countries that were king because of oil won’t be anymore. There is a political shift that comes with the massive shift in energy. For example oil not king the saudis are a nobody in that region have basically nothing else to offer. We have much other resources we just need governments that recognize the change.

Fighting for the pipeline out west coast maybe worth it short term but it’s not the future.
It’s unfortunate but I don’t think our population understands this.

How do you think they'll react when their people revolt because the govt promises can't be funded? The world isn't as "progressive" as some would like to think. Largest oil companies in the world are arms of govt. Oil gets banned I say go long war materials, they'll get used.