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[tweety]

I agree, and anyone capable of math, and anyone who still thinks the laws of physics can't be rewritten to suit their agenda also agrees, but the politicians and radical greens do not fall into that category. I posted the link about California earlier, much of Europe is legislating the same thing. The green new deal promises to eliminate the US carbon footprint by 2030 (last I checked).
The fact that the technology doesn't exist, and that the resources to scale up the existing technology exceed the known reserves doesn't seem to concern them.

If their stated goal was to extend our precious non renewable energy sources for as long as possible, I would acknowledge that you are right. Instead the mantra is entirely about CO2, zero carbon, decarbonizing etc. All the while ignoring that the grossly inefficient path they are on is increasing the CO2 output in most places.

Maybe what you hear and what is happening is 2 different things. A good example is what Jazz hears.

Atco has the Fort Chip solar/battery installation for that community completely of the grid. Do you think if it didn't make $$ sense to add solar/storage to the diesel generators that they would do it anyway? Imagine that, a renewable solution working with an existing fossil fuel diesel generator system. Do you see a trend yet? Did you think they have to rip out the diesel gensets and go fully solar in order to use solar?

This is not that complicated - like everything.

Benefits:

Reduces diesel use by 800,000 L annually
Reduces CO2 emissions by 2,145 tonnes each year
Reduces number of diesel trucks on winter roads by 25 annually
25% renewable electricity
Does not increase community electricity rates
Improves air quality, reduces noise, less environmental risk
Enables community ownership and self-sustaining economic development through job creation, investment in infrastructure and revenue from the sale of clean energy

I am sure you can dream up all sorts of reasons why this is a bad installation, so start listing them.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Whether you or I start listening is irrelevant. The first post is about a battery to replace a peaker with 10x less complexity and moving parts and saving them 100,000,000$. Simple business decision.

Who ever said renewables had to be zero emission? If you can double the life of fossil fuel use by the supplemental use of alternate energy sources, that is a win. There is far to much emphasis on the misguided myth "renewable" energy needs to be 100% renewable and perfect. Start, it will improve because it literally is at the Model T stage and only has 1 way to go.

The all or nothing approach is a red herring.

I agree, and anyone capable of math, and anyone who still thinks the laws of physics can't be rewritten to suit their agenda also agrees, but the politicians and radical greens do not fall into that category. I posted the link about California earlier, much of Europe is legislating the same thing. The green new deal promises to eliminate the US carbon footprint by 2030 (last I checked).
The fact that the technology doesn't exist, and that the resources to scale up the existing technology exceed the known reserves doesn't seem to concern them.

If their stated goal was to extend our precious non renewable energy sources for as long as possible, I would acknowledge that you are right. Instead the mantra is entirely about CO2, zero carbon, decarbonizing etc. All the while ignoring that the grossly inefficient path they are on is increasing the CO2 output in most places.

[tweety]

One other thought on nuclear power. Canada has a history and the technology of building our own nuclear reactors. We have our own sources of uranium. This make so much more dollars and cents and sense than importing Chinese made solar panels or Danish made windmills or for that matter American made lithium storage batteries. Chuck2, Dml, Tweety show me how supporting Chinese jobs makes more sense than supporting a made in Canada approach!!!

There is absolutely nothing wrong with nuclear. Especially recycled Haleu and spent fuel reactors. The roadblock and always the same answer, policy.

[tweety]

Tweety very simple in my opinion, I do not consider renewables a technological step forward. Less energy dense, larger foot print on the ground and an intermittent source. When the climate change proponents start backing nuclear power, a proven zero emission base load power source I will start listening. In my opinion renewables are going back to the model T!!!

Whether you or I start listening is irrelevant. The first post is about a battery to replace a peaker with 10x less complexity and moving parts and saving them 100,000,000$. Simple business decision.

Who ever said renewables had to be zero emission? If you can double the life of fossil fuel use by the supplemental use of alternate energy sources, that is a win. There is far to much emphasis on the misguided myth "renewable" energy needs to be 100% renewable and perfect. Start, it will improve because it literally is at the Model T stage and only has 1 way to go.

The all or nothing approach is a red herring.

[Hamloc]

One other thought on nuclear power. Canada has a history and the technology of building our own nuclear reactors. We have our own sources of uranium. This make so much more dollars and cents and sense than importing Chinese made solar panels or Danish made windmills or for that matter American made lithium storage batteries. Chuck2, Dml, Tweety show me how supporting Chinese jobs makes more sense than supporting a made in Canada approach!!!

[Hamloc]

Good to hear on trump, i think that makes 4 now lol.

So turn up the gas for that period. The rest of the time it contributes quite well. It isn't about replacing, it is about adding to the grid in a sustainable way.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the intent. Renewables for today isn't about turn off the gas. coal, whatever completely. It is about adding to, learning, innovating, moving forward. Did we go from a bunch of horses walking in a circling powering a threshing machine to a JD 690 in one step? Or a rattle Model T to the smooth vehicles of today? It has taken 100 years. Do the same with renewable, if it doesn't work think up something else but today some ideas are working so build on them.

It isn't all or nothing when it comes to renewable. That's where we come in, ensuring policy is friendly to the adaption of these technologies and not hampering to them. 100 years of lobbying has made the fossil fuel industry quite safe from any sort of "interference" from alternate systems.

Tweety very simple in my opinion, I do not consider renewables a technological step forward. Less energy dense, larger foot print on the ground and an intermittent source. When the climate change proponents start backing nuclear power, a proven zero emission base load power source I will start listening. In my opinion renewables are going back to the model T!!!

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Tweety, the dominance of FF for the past century wouldn't have anything to do with them being the cheapest, most reliable, most storable, available, safest, energy densest form of energy man has so far encountered, would it?

You need to quit listening to conspiracy theorists like Chuck and big wheel, and the alternative energy industry needs to quit playing victim, and start creating products that can compete on their own merits, economically and environmentally.
It is not a conspiracy that the best product wins the majority of the market share, until a better product comes along to displace it.

Work on the better product, instead of mandates and CO2 taxes to drag the superior product down.

[tweety]

The total number of Canadian farms is smaller than the population of 2 average federal electoral ridings. We could all unite and vote as a block, and have zero effect.

If you can't beat em, join em, comes to mind.

I am specifically referring to the lobby efforts of Cdn farmers. You come to Ottawa in packs and every one of them has a different policy direction. You may as well not come at all. At committee, each group brings up a different direction.

Ok, what is the official position of the financial effects of Covid on agriculture to all Canadian farmers? Who is doing that work? Who brings it forward as a single position for all Canadian farmers?

[tweety]

Tweety, last winter when it was -30 there was very little generation from Alberta’s over 20 wind farms and it was for a long enough period of time that batteries would never last. So in that case how many homes were they powering?! And fyi as I have stated many times I am not a Trump fan!!

Good to hear on trump, i think that makes 4 now lol.

So turn up the gas for that period. The rest of the time it contributes quite well. It isn't about replacing, it is about adding to the grid in a sustainable way.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the intent. Renewables for today isn't about turn off the gas. coal, whatever completely. It is about adding to, learning, innovating, moving forward. Did we go from a bunch of horses walking in a circling powering a threshing machine to a JD 690 in one step? Or a rattle Model T to the smooth vehicles of today? It has taken 100 years. Do the same with renewable, if it doesn't work think up something else but today some ideas are working so build on them.

It isn't all or nothing when it comes to renewable. That's where we come in, ensuring policy is friendly to the adaption of these technologies and not hampering to them. 100 years of lobbying has made the fossil fuel industry quite safe from any sort of "interference" from alternate systems.

[Hamloc]

The battery has a total generation capacity of 100 megawatts, and 129 megawatt-hours of energy storage. This has been decribed as “capable of powering 50,000 homes”, providing 1 hour and 18 minutes of storage.

Mallee you made my day for that I thank you!!