Wheres Chuck?

[chuckChuck]

Here is the central message in the film:

"Gibbs suggests that unfettered capitalism and its insanity of eternal growth on a finite planet is also what is leading us to the cliff edge"

I am so glad you agree!

happy Seeding!

[burnt]

I watched it all. WOW! Michael Moore a 180 on all GREEN SHIT? I always thought he was bonkers. The movie left no green idea alive, killed everything the "cult" believes, all of it is the ILLUSION of saving the planet. As we said repeatedly to the "dumb as posts" an illusion, total lies and BS, but billionaires made billions! I hope "you people" are really embarrassed for falling for all the hype. Wow love the turbine killing and the F'ing solar crap, and I had NO IDEA USA is burning their forests that are to save us from C02!
1.6 million views, 13870 comments in 3 DAYS! Sorry bastards the jig is UP! Jail time please!

However the final opinion is that we are TOO many for earth? The virus must be to reduce the parasites.

What a stunning reversal.

Sorta like Dr. Tam doing 180s on ALL of her statements over the past month.

Like one pundit said, we call it the "Dr. Tam frip frop".

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So MM set out to prove how great the kool-aid was, and in the process mistakenly read the ingredients.
Meanwhile chuck not only drank the entire pitcher kool-aid without question, and while blatantly disregarding any wise advise against it, he also paid out of his own pocket to do so(note that the wise crony capitalists always use other people's money, never their own), then went out to publicly advocate for everyone else to also buy and drink the Kool-aid.

Chuck, the key point that has gone right over your head yet again, is that the message is important, not the messenger. Open minded people can accept that they have been misled, accept that someone whose political ideologies differ from their own can still have good ideas, and change their opinions as the evidence changes. In this case, the evidence hasn't changed, we have been pointing it out all along, but someone on the left finally discovered it and presented it at a level even a grade schooler can comprehend.

[chuckChuck]

I will watch it when I have more time because Michael Moore has made some decent stuff and exposed the failures of the American dream and capitalism.

But its great to see so many Agrivillers lapping him up and singing his praises. My how the world has changed The gods must be crazy!

But I don't know about you, but I prefer lighter escapist "entertainment" at this point in time rather than the depressing. There is enough bad news to worry about without adding to the load.

But each to his own.

Here are some more Michael Moore movies to watch:

Sicko, Bowling for Columbine, Capitalism a Love Story
Where to Invade Next, Roger and Me, Michael Moore in Trumpland

I doubt very few of these titles would be popular with Trump crowd. LOL

[AlbertaFarmer5]

It is quite amazing how people could be open minded enough to gather all the facts, use those facts to challenge their core ideologies, and actually change their opinion, then after all that, draw a conclusion completely at odds with the reality.

It's a start though.

It is definitely aimed at the lowest common denominator, as such is very short on details, numbers, hard facts, and heavy on anecdotal evidence, emotion etc. Doesn't even touch on the dismal economics from what I have watched. The movie gets a lot of things wrong. But perhaps it will force some people to look into the reality themselves. And even consider that it might be permissible to question their own belief system.

Unfortunately, since MM is now no longer on the approved list, the Chucks of the world won't watch it.

[chuckChuck]

I am surprised to see Jazz and others on Agriville endorsing Gibbs and Moore who are not supporters of capitalism. Whats up with that? No mention of that in all your posts! LOL

"Gibbs suggests that unfettered capitalism and its insanity of eternal growth on a finite planet is also what is leading us to the cliff edge". One film critic said in the Guardian.

No doubt massive investments in cleaner forms of energy have an environmental foot print. The only way to know which is a better and cleaner investment is to do a full cost accounting including all the external hidden environmental costs for every form of energy.

The world has always been on track to switch from non renewable finite sources of energy to more renewable sources and new technology. Its not all going to happen in our life times.

[shtferbrains]

Have to admit I never watch any Michael Moore if I can avoid it.

These types of revelations by Green promoters seem to be becoming more common.

https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-limits-of-clean-energy?utm_source=pocket-newtab https://getpocket.com/explore/item/the-limits-of-clean-energy?utm_source=pocket-newtab

" Take silver, for instance. Mexico is home to the Peñasquito mine, one of the biggest silver mines in the world. Covering nearly 40 square miles, the operation is staggering in its scale: a sprawling open-pit complex ripped into the mountains, flanked by two waste dumps each a mile long, and a tailings dam full of toxic sludge held back by a wall that’s 7 miles around and as high as a 50-story skysc****r. This mine will produce 11,000 tons of silver in 10 years before its reserves, the biggest in the world, are gone.

To transition the global economy to renewable, we need to commission up to 130 more mines on the scale of Peñasquito. Just for silver.

Lithium is another ecological disaster. It takes 500,000 gallons of water to produce a single ton of lithium. Even at present levels of extraction this is causing problems. In the Andes, where most of the world’s lithium is located, mining companies are burning through the water tables and leaving farmers with nothing to irrigate their crops. Many have had no choice but to abandon their land altogether. Meanwhile, chemical leaks from lithium mines have poisoned rivers from Chile to Argentina, Nevada to Tibet, killing off whole freshwater ecosystems. The lithium boom has barely even started, and it’s already a crisis.

And all of this is just to power the existing global economy. Things become even more extreme when we start accounting for growth. As energy demand continues to rise, material extraction for renewables will become all the more aggressive—and the higher the growth rate, the worse it will get. "

Starting to see some more in depth looks at what it takes to offset all that energy from the evil oil.

These are not coming from deniers but green supporters that are realizing we won't be living at the same lifestyle.

Monocroppers? Really. Explain.

please don't get him going , we finally got to quit hearing about his glyphosate obsession

[LEP]

Ahh well , time to get ready to plant crops that sequester huge amounts of life giving carbon and save the world from starvation I guess .


Ah looks like you missed the memo. You monocroppers pushing the synthetic N fert for yield actually deplete soil carbon. One of the reasons why you enjoy paying the carbon tax I guess.
Ahh well , time for you to learn something about soil function

Monocroppers? Really. Explain.

Climate change and renewable energy are all a conspiracy, a hoax, the science is wrong etc etc.... How do I know.....Trump said it's so.

If you get sick from Covid are you going to try Donald's disinfectant cure? It might be worth a try. LOL

More from the "very stable genius" on science and medicine:

"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?

"So it'd be interesting to check that."

Pointing to his head, Mr Trump went on: "I'm not a doctor. But I'm, like, a person that has a good you-know-what."


What is "a good you know what"? Do you think he meant his brain? LOL

Where are Jazz, SF3? Why aren't they stepping up to defend the "very stable genius" Trump and his disinfectant?

Shit chuck , you made me laugh out loud
Needed that
Like trudeau , some of his stuff looks even funnier in print
This one rates right up there with the water box incident
Anyways it was funny
I would like to see those two in a deep complicated conversation