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  • AlbertaFarmer5
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    Originally posted by TASFarms View Post
    Renewables cost more. I cringe every time I see big wind mill. Didn’t Ontario prove that they are expressive to run. Sky high power bills.
    Ontario has certainly been a poster child for the ill conceived movement, but they are not alone, the same results have been achieved everywhere else the experiment has been repeated.

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  • TASFarms
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    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
    A5 Whats even funnier is you consider the anti-capitalist Moore a hero now! LOL

    As I said one film maker one film does not tell the whole story.

    If you want actual numbers on the cost of renewables and the impact on electricity prices contact Saskpower and the utilities in North Dakota, Texas, California, The UK, Germany, Denmark as they all have their own numbers on the impact of wind and solar on electricity prices.

    No one is prepared to believe your estimates and assumptions without the facts from actual utilities.
    Renewables cost more. I cringe every time I see big wind mill. Didn’t Ontario prove that they are expressive to run. Sky high power bills.

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  • chuckChuck
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    A5 Whats even funnier is you consider the anti-capitalist Moore a hero now! LOL

    As I said one film maker one film does not tell the whole story.

    If you want actual numbers on the cost of renewables and the impact on electricity prices contact Saskpower and the utilities in North Dakota, Texas, California, The UK, Germany, Denmark as they all have their own numbers on the impact of wind and solar on electricity prices.

    No one is prepared to believe your estimates and assumptions without the facts from actual utilities.

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  • sumdumguy
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    Originally posted by TASFarms View Post
    Natural gas is the answer in the the 21st century. It’s almost renewable, clean and the best part is that’s it’s cheap.
    Coupled with that NG can be liquified and piped across the country safely and cheaply.

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  • AlbertaFarmer5
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    Originally posted by ALBERTAFARMER4 View Post
    Who would have thought Michael Moore could make a movie with so many obvious lies and half truths?
    That is the funniest part, that a guy who has made a career out of spreading misinformation, is suddenly a pariah because he directed it in the opposite direction, but was a hero before because he attacked the other side.

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  • jazz
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    Originally posted by TASFarms View Post
    Natural gas is the answer in the the 21st century. It’s almost renewable, clean and the best part is that’s it’s cheap.
    If you care about emissions reductions while still having an energy dense source of fuel which is clearly not what the sun and wind provide and nuclear still too scary, NG is the ONLY interim solution.

    But if you look deeper in the documentary, the real motives of the green mafia are evident. Population reduction, end of capitalism and then a cult group emerges that dances in the mud one with nature. Green movement and climate change just a cover.

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  • ALBERTAFARMER4
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    Who would have thought Michael Moore could make a movie with so many obvious lies and half truths?

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  • TASFarms
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    Natural gas is the answer in the the 21st century. It’s almost renewable, clean and the best part is that’s it’s cheap.

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  • wd9
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    Originally posted by sumdumguy View Post
    Wd - research has been on-going but the fact is coal, oil, nat gas is the best dependable, safe storage of energy known to man at this time. In time, there will be viable alternatives but sun and wind don’t meet the criteria of dependable (proven over and over again in test trials and actual application). Why beat a dead horse?
    I'm not beating a dead horse, never said the research was limited to sun and wind - just something other then oil and gas non renewable.

    They certainly are reliable - all the effort it takes is extract and light a match. But its a one way trip. I think the worst thing society in general ever did was thinking existing solar and wind power were "good enough" and then we just stopped dreaming up new ideas. Battery tech is advancing a lot, but we still need something to charge them that isn't coal fired.
    Last edited by wd9; Apr 28, 2020, 20:10.

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  • fjlip
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    chuck et al must be IMMORTAL to invest in such a SHITTY return on investment to those who live 80-90 max!

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