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  • jazz
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2018
    • 9308

    Originally posted by errolanderson View Post
    European bank stocks are now down 25% in the past 13 days.

    That's a crash . . . .
    EU banking system has always been fragile. When some US banks take it, then we can worry.

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    • agstar77
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2001
      • 6317

      Central banks have overplayed their hand with no room for emergencies. Should never have lowered rates so much after the Financial Crisis. The economy is not good enough to withstand tariff wars and coronavirus.

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      • Austrian Economics
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2020
        • 365

        Originally posted by agstar77 View Post
        Central banks have overplayed their hand with no room for emergencies. Should never have lowered rates so much after the Financial Crisis. The economy is not good enough to withstand tariff wars and coronavirus.
        The central banks have essentially no choice. The reason is that what we call "money" today originates as an irredeemable bond. The bond carries an interest payment. When we say that the government or any borrower pays off a bond, they are not really paying it off. They are just rolling the debt or simply shifting it to another borrower. One bond is "paid off" by creating another bond which is good for the previous bond, but the new bond itself begins accumulating interest charges. In this manner, debt in a fiat currency system must always grow exponentially. The process can be slowed down, but it can't be stopped or reversed.

        As the debt grows, so does the interest burden. Since there's no way to stop this, all a central bank can do it lower short term interest rates to keep up with declining business demand for capital as their debt load grows as well. Eventually, many debtors will default but if interest rates fall enough, other businesses can step in and borrow to fill the gap. But they too will eventually fall victim to this perpetual cycle.

        About 100 years ago when gold was money, if the rate of interest fell too much, savers would demand their gold from the banks and hoard it, for the simple reason that too low a rate of interest would not compensate them for risk. This put a solid floor under the rate of interest, since financial institutions did not desire the exit of all capital from their institutions.

        Since gold has been barred from the financial system, savers now only have a choice between a zero maturity central bank note (the dollar) or a bond payable in the same dollars but also paying a (by now) microscopic bit of interest. Either way, you are a perpetual creditor to a central bank as long as you hold dollars in any form.

        Governments in particular like falling interest rates and fiat currency because they can corral savers into funding ventures for next to no return, or even a negative return. Voters tend to like it because it allows them to indulge in a banquet of "free stuff" at the expense of others.

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        • Flatlander
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2012
          • 187

          Originally posted by Austrian Economics View Post
          The central banks have essentially no choice. The reason is that what we call "money" today originates as an irredeemable bond. The bond carries an interest payment. When we say that the government or any borrower pays off a bond, they are not really paying it off. They are just rolling the debt or simply shifting it to another borrower. One bond is "paid off" by creating another bond which is good for the previous bond, but the new bond itself begins accumulating interest charges. In this manner, debt in a fiat currency system must always grow exponentially. The process can be slowed down, but it can't be stopped or reversed.

          As the debt grows, so does the interest burden. Since there's no way to stop this, all a central bank can do it lower short term interest rates to keep up with declining business demand for capital as their debt load grows as well. Eventually, many debtors will default but if interest rates fall enough, other businesses can step in and borrow to fill the gap. But they too will eventually fall victim to this perpetual cycle.

          About 100 years ago when gold was money, if the rate of interest fell too much, savers would demand their gold from the banks and hoard it, for the simple reason that too low a rate of interest would not compensate them for risk. This put a solid floor under the rate of interest, since financial institutions did not desire the exit of all capital from their institutions.

          Since gold has been barred from the financial system, savers now only have a choice between a zero maturity central bank note (the dollar) or a bond payable in the same dollars but also paying a (by now) microscopic bit of interest. Either way, you are a perpetual creditor to a central bank as long as you hold dollars in any form.

          Governments in particular like falling interest rates and fiat currency because they can corral savers into funding ventures for next to no return, or even a negative return. Voters tend to like it because it allows them to indulge in a banquet of "free stuff" at the expense of others.
          Gold may know this is true. Look at ten year gold chart in CAD. All time high by far. That is also the case in most currencies except the USD. Barbarous relic. No yield. Not enough of it to go back to a gold standard. Etc.etc.etc...

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          • helmsdale
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2014
            • 2133

            Anyone got an explanation as to what's happening in the short term repo market the last 3 days?

            It's been oversubscribed 3 days running...
            -who's looking for the liquidity?
            -what do they need it for?
            -are private institutions getting the jitters and not trusting each others collateral?

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            • macdon02
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2007
              • 1858

              Originally posted by helmsdale View Post
              Anyone got an explanation as to what's happening in the short term repo market the last 3 days?

              It's been oversubscribed 3 days running...
              -who's looking for the liquidity?
              -what do they need it for?
              -are private institutions getting the jitters and not trusting each others collateral?
              https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/spra.asp


              Seems BOC is prepping for a liquidity crisis. We will be hearing about these in the future.

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              • macdon02
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 1858

                https://crusoeeconomics.com/2020/01/15/is-there-a-repo-crisis-brewing-in-canada/


                Errol, Austrian, your thoughts?

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                • errolanderson
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 3163

                  Originally posted by jazz View Post
                  EU banking system has always been fragile. When some US banks take it, then we can worry.
                  U.S. bank stock index now getting smoked along with the USD. Fed emergency rate cut now a crusher . . . .

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                  • Austrian Economics
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2020
                    • 365

                    Originally posted by macdon02 View Post
                    https://crusoeeconomics.com/2020/01/15/is-there-a-repo-crisis-brewing-in-canada/


                    Errol, Austrian, your thoughts?
                    Trouble in the Repo market has been brewing in the U.S. since September. Back then the rate spiked to 10% suddenly, prompting the Fed to essentially ditch its Quantitative Tightening program. Since then, they've had to intervene quite frequently to add grease to the credit gears to prevent a lock up. It doesn't surprise me that the trouble may be spreading. Some leveraged player(s) is in danger of default. It's really hard to find any info as to who that might be. I assume central banks don't really want to make this information public.

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                    • Austrian Economics
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2020
                      • 365

                      I like the Zero Hedge website when it comes to issues like this. Liquidity issues are popping up all over as this article indicates. Much of it has to do with everyone wanting to be only on one side of a trade. Central banks are trying to be everywhere at once. Something has to give.

                      https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/just-how-bad-liquidity https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/just-how-bad-liquidity

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