carbon tax

[farming101]

Just got latest propane fix. Price has risen 32.9% since the start of grain drying.

And no, I won't be cutting back

[bucket]

I have a tractor that may burn cleaner but it burns more which in turns means more diesel from the refinery.....for whatever reason for those so called scientists that can not use some logic...while forcing farmers to adapt to cleaner tractor....without ever doing the math on the fact that a tractor at rest does not pollute....

While I burn more fuel I get more done in fewer hours no one has done the correlated calculations on cleaner tractor burning more fuel in less time.....round and round we go ...right?


The carbon tax can not change habits on a farm..period....the crop has to be seeded , sprayed and harvested.....now will someone do the phucking math how you can reduce your carbon footprint?????

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Chuck, how do you justify the spectacular failure of this measure to obtain its intended result, at least among the farming segment of the population?

The CO2 tax was intended to change behaviors, leading to lower CO2 emissions, yet in spite of that, it seems that farmers ignored the market based solution of a CO2 tax, and actually increased their fossil fuel consumption, almost in spite of the taxes stated goal.

Do you think it is just a case of farmers requiring more indoctrination? Perhaps double the number of cut and pastes per week?

Is the CO2 tax rate just not high enough to impact farmers, who obviously have enough wealth to just pay the punitive tax so they can carry on with their lifestyle? Much like celebrities buying carbon offsets for flying? Or issuing speeding tickets with no demerit points to someone who can afford to drive a Maserati?
Perhaps we need to increase it to $100's, if not $1000's per tonne to make an impact?

Are farmers increasing their fossil fuel usage to spite the hated Trudeau government? Cutting off their nose to spite their face?

Or could it be that this market based solution only works when there are alternatives? Perhaps it it can be quite effective to convince soccer moms to put their kids on the school bus instead of driving them 3 blocks to school in their Escalade or Kenworth or whatever the big vehicle is nowadays. But perhaps we need to revisit the consequences of applying it to industries who either have no alternatives, or are competing directly with foreign competitors who are not burdened by this tax, or cannot pass on the additional cost?

[blackpowder]

How about the tax grab money going to greener infrastructure like HP gas line access for us industrial users?
No?, I guess QC pensions come first.

[flea beetle]

Did you try drying with solar panels? How about turning some windmills on your crop?

Maybe your damp crop can take public transit to market.

Next time someone needs a source of fuel to dry crop, should just burn grain. No carbon tax, carbon neutral and its practically free.

Wonder what the eco nuts would think if they found people heating with grain stoves.

But what if the grain is too damp to burn?

[redleaf]

My question is, will anyone use less fuel to put a crop in in the years to come vs the past 3 to 4 years?

That ship sailed 20-30 years ago with rising fuel costs and the switch to min or zero tillage and direct seeding.

[fjlip]

Ya If we QUIT, a ZERO emitter!

[zeefarmer]

My question is, will anyone use less fuel to put a crop in in the years to come vs the past 3 to 4 years?

[fjlip]

EVERYBODY all around here used 2-10 times average gas for drying. The big acreages are still drying 14% canola. Neighbor going day and night will not be done before Christmas.

Oh ya so many other GREEN energy choices, total f*cking ASSHOLE Climate Cult brain dead BASTARDS!

Our N gas bill, $1503, plus $276 LIEBERAL (totally useless) C02 TAX, plus GST on all of it, TAX on TAX, must be a treasonous law against that!

Equals 18.3% of gas charges! How the F*CK is that 4.5%?

we a STO did 40,000 Bu. wheat= $0.045/ Bu. Gas cost with C02 Tax. Almost 3/4 of a cent for the BS Tax.

Times all the bushels dried in 2019, about 75% of crop= MILLIONS$

Larry do a total estimate.

[jazz]

I can confidently claim that I did not use any less propane or electricity drying this years crop because of the CO2 tax. It was simply an added cost. As to whether it served its intended purpose ? Well that depends on the purpose. If it was to deter use of propane or to raise funds ?

Did you try drying with solar panels? How about turning some windmills on your crop?

Maybe your damp crop can take public transit to market.

Next time someone needs a source of fuel to dry crop, should just burn grain. No carbon tax, carbon neutral and its practically free.

Wonder what the eco nuts would think if they found people heating with grain stoves.