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Now I have to take a minute off from my Saturday to destroy dml again. yawn its getting so old.
For your information, the costs to move American ag products down the Mississippi are 1/10th of what Canadian rail over the rockies are.
Did you shut down your farm?
Did you relocate to iowa?
With market access the price of the heavy differential will close by $10 which will easily offset whatever advantages that texas has. That's whats the fing patch was trying to do when enviro radicals and whacked Marxists stopped them.
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Originally posted by flea beetle View PostYes hard times come to all, that is not what the west is angry over. It is being kicked while we are down that is pissing everybody off. Not one of your example conveys the same likeness as what is happening now. In your examples, it is just an industry dealing with a slowdown. They never had do deal with the slowdown, plus an onslaught from the government to make life harder at the same time as well.
Not only are crop prices falling and debt skyrocketing on the prairies, but we have to fend off a government that wants every spare dollar that may be left. And also live in an environment that the government makes harder and harder to do business in. And also in an environment where the government ruins our markets.
-Carbon tax
-Seed tax
-Shelving of pipeline projects
-Bill 6
-The oil tanker ban off of BC Coastline
-Trudeau making a fool of himself in India effectively ruining the pulse industry
-Detaining the Huawei executive effectively ruining the canola industry
Just to name a few. Granted not all, but most, are federal doings. Bill 6 was imposed by a premier that was in Trudeau's pocket in my opinion. So might as well have come from federal anyway.
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Originally posted by caseih View Post
ummm, why has texas been in a massive boom
http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Giant-Slashes-Jobs-Amid-Shale-Slowdown.html http://https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Oil-Giant-Slashes-Jobs-Amid-Shale-Slowdown.html
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Originally posted by jazz View PostNow I have to take a minute off from my Saturday to destroy dml again. yawn its getting so old.
For your information, the costs to move American ag products down the Mississippi are 1/10th of what Canadian rail over the rockies are.
Did you shut down your farm?
Did you relocate to iowa?
With market access the price of the heavy differential will close by $10 which will easily offset whatever advantages that texas has. That's whats the fing patch was trying to do when enviro radicals and whacked Marxists stopped them.
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Originally posted by dmlfarmer View PostCould it be that the cost of production is less in Texas
Could it be that that WTI crude requires less refining thus lower refining costs
Could it be that the Texas oilfields are next door to the largest refinery capacity in NA and thousands of miles of pipe are not needed to transport crude to the refinery
Could it be that Texas is next to the sea and both crude and refined products can be loaded into tankers for delivery anywhere in the world.
Could it be that the margins oil producers are making are much larger than those earned in Canada reflecting the higher costs of production, transport, and refining, therefore there is more more for reinvestment in Texas than Alberta
Could it be that The US market is at minimum 10 times larger than the Canadian market based on population alone therefore there is a demand difference favoring Texas
Could it be as simple as supply and demand in a capitalistic industry and commodity
Naw, you are probably right, none of these reasons make sense, it is all Trudeau.
We had a thriving oilpatch here?
Keebek and east coast is getting blood stained oil from middle east where they still stone “their†women and practice female circumcision ?
But thats ok , right , because fort mac is dirty
Nothing too do with govt attitude in canada , no cant be?
Wait , maybe buisness likes trumps attitude to real life better;
You know , you hafta work if you can or you dont eat
Even if those ungrateful ****suckers in keebek and on the east coast bought our oil it would help
Oh wait we have a “no pipeline bill†from this govt, so we cant get it there
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Originally posted by dmlfarmer View PostI see you must be drinking again. I mean I have no idea what moving ag products down the Mississippi has to do with my question to you about what government policies stopping production of oil and gas in western Canada or if I shut down my farm or moved to Iowa. Do try to keep up Jazz, and if you do want to reply, try to reply to the actual question I asked of you. I will repeat it: "Name the actual government POLICIES that are preventing production of oil and gas in western Canada. And given your statement I will add on what government policies are preventing market access?"Last edited by flea beetle; Nov 9, 2019, 16:51.
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Originally posted by caseih View PostBut, but, but
We had a thriving oilpatch here?
Keebek and east coast is getting blood stained oil from middle east where they still stone “their†women and practice female circumcision ?
But thats ok , right , because fort mac is dirty
Nothing too do with govt attitude in canada , no cant be?
Wait , maybe buisness likes trumps attitude to real life better;
You know , you hafta work if you can or you dont eat
Even if those ungrateful ****suckers in keebek and on the east coast bought our oil it would help
Oh wait we have a “no pipeline bill†from this govt, so we cant get it there
Or how about the fact that even with projected increases in production, not all proposed pipelines would have been needed. We would have overbuilt if Line 3, XL, Trans mountain, and Energy east all proceeded.
But why worry about such details when you simply can name call and hate eastern Canadians and Liberals.
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Originally posted by flea beetle View PostShelving of pipelines? Oil tanker ban on the west coast? This was answered already above, you just ignore it and keep asking the same question and acting like you are right.
I will grant you bill C48 which bans tankers over a certain size from northern BC waters could be seen as limiting market access, but I question how much it limits production.
Give me the federal policies stopping oil and gas production in western CanadaLast edited by dmlfarmer; Nov 9, 2019, 17:26.
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Originally posted by dmlfarmer View PostShelving of pipelines: No, the government actually bought Trans mountain and expansion has started. Line 3 reversal has happened, XL is held up in the US not by Canada government, and Trans Canada dropped the application for Energy East, it was not shut down.
Give me the federal policies stopping oil and gas production in western Canada
The federal government bought trans mountain because they didn’t have the backbone to stand up to special interest groups. Why not just say this is the way it is gonna go down like they did with the carbon tax? Energy east was also given up on because the government refused to stand up to special interest groups so trans Canada gave up.
Refusal to do anything is just as bad as putting bad policy in place.Last edited by flea beetle; Nov 9, 2019, 17:38.
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