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  • AlbertaFarmer5
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2010
    • 12567

    #21
    Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
    The world economy is indeed integrated.

    If either the US or China suffers economic problems then we all are affected. Especially Canada which is dependent on exports to both.

    The slow down from hyper growth in China to moderate or low growth rates is what triggered the declines in oil and commodity prices in the last while.

    Putting additional tariffs on trade will slow down trade even further which will put additional pressure on commodity prices.

    If you think Trump's trade policies and a China US trade war are good for you, then don't complain about the resulting low commodity prices and trade issues.

    Trump will need a good outcome leading up to the 2020 election. If the US economy starts to sputter it will look bad on Trump. China would be happy to see him gone so don't expect them to roll over easily.

    Speaking of the instant gratification crowd...

    So, you will willingly trade short term improved commodity prices for long term having a brutal communist dominant world superpower?

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    • blackjack
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2004
      • 798

      #22
      Thanks for that AB5....

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      • furrowtickler
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2004
        • 22069

        #23
        Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
        The world economy is indeed integrated.

        If either the US or China suffers economic problems then we all are affected. Especially Canada which is dependent on exports to both.

        The slow down from hyper growth in China to moderate or low growth rates is what triggered the declines in oil and commodity prices in the last while.

        Putting additional tariffs on trade will slow down trade even further which will put additional pressure on commodity prices.

        If you think Trump's trade policies and a China US trade war are good for you, then don't complain about the resulting low commodity prices and trade issues.

        Trump will need a good outcome leading up to the 2020 election. If the US economy starts to sputter it will look bad on Trump. China would be happy to see him gone so don't expect them to roll over easily.
        How’s Canada’s trade policies working lately ????
        We are heading for our own national election before the US election but all you can deflect about is Trump ...
        We have a gong show right here in Canada ..... now , and it’s always Trump Trump Trump.
        We have much bigger problems here at home and our next generation farmers here in western Canada, yes our kids will be @&$ked if this does not change this fall . Open your eyes to what’s going on here at home chuck .....

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        • chuckChuck
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2006
          • 12989

          #24
          Only simpletons would equate criticisms of Trump and Trump policies as support for China!

          As flawed as the US is, it is still a more important ally for Canada and Europe and most of the world.

          A few months ago several Agriville supporters were praising Putin and his policies. 20 years in power?
          A dictatorship more or less. Friend of Trump? Seems like oppressive undemocratic leadership is not a problem for several agriville posters.

          I don't take partisan views of the state of Canada as accurate. All this doom and gloom is just politics. The knee jerk blaming Trudeau and liberals for everything is just a laugh. Trudeau has been a big disappointment. But hyper partisans have their own distorted and exaggerated view of everything. Reasonable people can see through the bullshit.
          Last edited by chuckChuck; Aug 11, 2019, 10:27.

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          • AlbertaFarmer5
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2010
            • 12567

            #25
            Originally posted by chuckChuck View Post
            Only simpletons would equate criticisms of Trump and Trump policies as support for China!

            As flawed as the US is, it is still a more important ally for Canada and Europe and most of the world.

            A few months ago several Agriville supporters were praising Putin and his policies. 20 years in power?
            A dictatorship more or less. Friend of Trump? Seems like oppressive undemocratic leadership is not a problem for several agriville posters.

            I don't take partisan views of the state of Canada as accurate. All this doom and gloom is just politics. The knee jerk blaming Trudeau and liberals for everything is just a laugh. Trudeau has been a big disappointment. But hyper partisans have their own distorted and exaggerated view of everything. Reasonable people can see through the bullshit.
            Well, that sounds like a very reasonable non-partisan and balanced point of view. Has anyone been keeping score of how many anti Trump vs anti Trudeau posts Chuck has made?

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            • chuckChuck
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2006
              • 12989

              #26
              Another job for simpletons? Why don't you do it yourself and then draw your usual unsubstantiated conclusions and speculations? LOL

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              • Zephyr
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2019
                • 141

                #27
                Agree with Chuck.

                If Trump ran China and Clinton USA, there where be a lot of China-loving, USA bashing.


                The America worshipping from some is downright scary. Easy to draw parallels to other fanatical leader-worshiping in history past.


                America is threatened by a new world order China-Russia-FSU-India-South America have all the same resources and far more people. If allowed to flourish they would quickly eclipse the USA-Canada-Europe-Australia-Japan alliance.

                This isn't a one-sided battle, and there will be heavy [economic, societal] casualties on both sides, make no mistake.

                Just like in both WW's. Canada and the Canadian people, not directly involved but at the front line and suffering heavy losses.

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                • furrowtickler
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 22069

                  #28
                  Originally posted by Zephyr View Post
                  Agree with Chuck.

                  If Trump ran China and Clinton USA, there where be a lot of China-loving, USA bashing.


                  The America worshipping from some is downright scary. Easy to draw parallels to other fanatical leader-worshiping in history past.


                  America is threatened by a new world order China-Russia-FSU-India-South America have all the same resources and far more people. If allowed to flourish they would quickly eclipse the USA-Canada-Europe-Australia-Japan alliance.

                  This isn't a one-sided battle, and there will be heavy [economic, societal] casualties on both sides, make no mistake.

                  Just like in both WW's. Canada and the Canadian people, not directly involved but at the front line and suffering heavy losses.
                  Agreed , but If we actually had a leader here in Canada we would have trade deals done with India and China 2 months ago.
                  All the other exporting nations are eating our lunch while Peter Pan dances around and has zero clue on trade just like the rest of his cabinet.

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                  • AlbertaFarmer5
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 12567

                    #29
                    Originally posted by Zephyr View Post
                    Agree with Chuck.

                    If Trump ran China and Clinton USA, there where be a lot of China-loving, USA bashing.
                    It is scary how many people are holding on the the false hope that this change in US foreign policy is purely a partisan issue, and as soon as Trump is gone, the global order we knew and loved, and prospered under will be returned.

                    Who we love, or hate, or admire has nothing to do with adapting to the new reality. Go ahead and hate the despicable personality that is Trump, but don't let that hatred blind you to making the appropriate decisions to survive the economic disruption.

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                    • malleefarmer
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 5424

                      #30
                      A newspaper here suggests the currency war is over blown but not tarriff issue.

                      Some of you smarter than i qill understand this and i quote "to directly counteract chinas currency devaluation US treasury should begin countervailing currency intervention. This would work by purchasing chinese yuan denominated assests to bid up the value of the yuan and cancel out effects of currency manipulation by china"

                      According to author china always props its currency up even whgen it shouldnt this time it didnt.

                      Beyond me.

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