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[furrowtickler]

If CO2 have no impact on temperature, precipitation, or weather patterns I would likely agree with much of your list. However, I am sorry I was not clearer with my question so let me rephrase:

Given that CO2 levels over last 800,000 years through ice ages, and interglacial warm periods have never exceeded 300ppm,
and given the last time CO2 levels exceeded 400ppm was over 20 million years ago
and given that sea levels when this occurred were 250 feet higher
and global temperatures were 3 to 6C higher when CO2 levels were above 400ppm
and that historically we have always found a close association between temperatures, seal levels, and CO2 levels
please present factual based data showing what the effect will be to global temperatures and precipitation amounts since CO2 levels are now above 410ppm.

BTW, you keep demanding factual data from anyone presenting climate change theory, so please present facts for each of the wish list you gave. Start with the savannah overtaking deserts seeing as the Gobi desert, western Australian desert, Sahara desert are all continuing to expand

“We have always found a close ......”
sooo , your a climate scientist and a farmer ??? Who knew......

[dmlfarmer]

So 20 million years ago the C02 concentration was over 400 ppm and sea levels were 25 feet higher than today. So the question begs to be asked, today we are at 410 ppm with little rise in sea level, does this not blow a hole in everything you have just stated?

Tell me Hamloc, if you put a large pot of water on your stove to boil and turn the burner on, does the water instantly boil? So if you do not expect instant boiling when heating a pot of water, why do you think it is a valid argument that the earth must instantly heat to the level of 20 million years ago as CO2 increases to that level over just the few decades.

[dmlfarmer]

I presented a bunch of facts which are real World observations in a world where CO2 is over 400 ppm. We are in the middle of an experiment with CO2. And so far, the real time results are entirely favorable, and seem to be disproving the CO2 controls temperature hypothesis(at least at these lofty levels, CO2 as a greenhouse gas at lower concentrations is well established)

And please don't confuse human caused desertification, a major environmental catastrophe(which we could actually solve), with the natural greening of deserts due to increased CO2 and decreased droughts.

you gave no facts! you made a bunch of statements with no supporting evidence. Give me a source of the real world observations you claim are being made. Show me the same consideration you expect when you demand facts from those who believe in climate change. Show me real data, not just headlines.

[AlbertaFarmer5]

So 20 million years ago the C02 concentration was over 400 ppm and sea levels were 25 feet higher than today. So the question begs to be asked, today we are at 410 ppm with little rise in sea level, does this not blow a hole in everything you have just stated?

I was hoping to try to draw that conclusion out of the alarmists themselves. However, logic such as that seems to be lost on them.

[seldomseen]

And how will a carbon tax on Canadians make any difference in that 410 number?

[Hamloc]

If CO2 have no impact on temperature, precipitation, or weather patterns I would likely agree with much of your list. However, I am sorry I was not clearer with my question so let me rephrase:

Given that CO2 levels over last 800,000 years through ice ages, and interglacial warm periods have never exceeded 300ppm,
and given the last time CO2 levels exceeded 400ppm was over 20 million years ago
and given that sea levels when this occurred were 250 feet higher
and global temperatures were 3 to 6C higher when CO2 levels were above 400ppm
and that historically we have always found a close association between temperatures, seal levels, and CO2 levels
please present factual based data showing what the effect will be to global temperatures and precipitation amounts since CO2 levels are now above 410ppm.

BTW, you keep demanding factual data from anyone presenting climate change theory, so please present facts for each of the wish list you gave. Start with the savannah overtaking deserts seeing as the Gobi desert, western Australian desert, Sahara desert are all continuing to expand

So 20 million years ago the C02 concentration was over 400 ppm and sea levels were 25 feet higher than today. So the question begs to be asked, today we are at 410 ppm with little rise in sea level, does this not blow a hole in everything you have just stated?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

I presented a bunch of facts which are real World observations in a world where CO2 is over 400 ppm. We are in the middle of an experiment with CO2. And so far, the real time results are entirely favorable, and seem to be disproving the CO2 controls temperature hypothesis(at least at these lofty levels, CO2 as a greenhouse gas at lower concentrations is well established)

And please don't confuse human caused desertification, a major environmental catastrophe(which we could actually solve), with the natural greening of deserts due to increased CO2 and decreased droughts.

[dmlfarmer]

That is an easy question, and we don't even need speculation or models, there is no need for "will be", we can just observe the results occurring all around the world. They include:
-Global Greening
-Increased yields
-Lower incidence and magnitude of droughts, and therefore famine
-Savannah overtaking deserts
-Forests overtaking grassland
-Expanded habitat for plants and animals(including the human variety)
-The slow and inexorable sea level rise will continue unabated with the usual undulations, so long as we remain on the upslope of this interglacial.
-According to the present trends, lower hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and virtually all weather extremes.
-While it is too early to even speculate on any long term trend, there remains the possibility that we may even see beneficially higher temperatures as a result.

If CO2 have no impact on temperature, precipitation, or weather patterns I would likely agree with much of your list. However, I am sorry I was not clearer with my question so let me rephrase:

Given that CO2 levels over last 800,000 years through ice ages, and interglacial warm periods have never exceeded 300ppm,
and given the last time CO2 levels exceeded 400ppm was over 20 million years ago
and given that sea levels when this occurred were 250 feet higher
and global temperatures were 3 to 6C higher when CO2 levels were above 400ppm
and that historically we have always found a close association between temperatures, seal levels, and CO2 levels
please present factual based data showing what the effect will be to global temperatures and precipitation amounts since CO2 levels are now above 410ppm.

BTW, you keep demanding factual data from anyone presenting climate change theory, so please present facts for each of the wish list you gave. Start with the savannah overtaking deserts seeing as the Gobi desert, western Australian desert, Sahara desert are all continuing to expand

[AlbertaFarmer5]

If there is a correlation between temp and CO2 (and I don't care what preceeds what) what will be the enviornmental impact of a 410 ppm CO2 level?

That is an easy question, and we don't even need speculation or models, there is no need for "will be", we can just observe the results occurring all around the world. They include:
-Global Greening
-Increased yields
-Lower incidence and magnitude of droughts, and therefore famine
-Savannah overtaking deserts
-Forests overtaking grassland
-Expanded habitat for plants and animals(including the human variety)
-The slow and inexorable sea level rise will continue unabated with the usual undulations, so long as we remain on the upslope of this interglacial.
-According to the present trends, lower hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, and virtually all weather extremes.
-While it is too early to even speculate on any long term trend, there remains the possibility that we may even see beneficially higher temperatures as a result.

[jazz]

The Netherlands is a govt, not a group of investors. Go see what they are putting in the flood zone.

Developers don't sell everything, they keep commercial properties like malls and office buildings and lease them out. They are getting put up as fast as any condos.

We now have a forecast for July on the prairies where there is only one above 30deg day predicted. That has never happened in my lifetime that I can remember except maybe when that volcano erupted. There is no climate emergency.

But if you knew anything about the current crop conditions in Canada and the US you would be hoping for some hot days.