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  • grassfarmer
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2002
    • 9734

    #11
    Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
    Agree , but western Canadian farming would have a far stronger meaning , that can’t be denied
    Meaning to who? us in Ag or the other 96.5% of the population?

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    • the big wheel
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2017
      • 3860

      #12
      Originally posted by furrowtickler View Post
      Agree , but western Canadian farming would have a far stronger meaning , that can’t be denied
      Furrow do you think ag would be the priority or oil in a separatist west? Ag would go on but could you imagine the rights given to oil over ag? And who would be owning ag? None of the complaints about the west treatment involves how ag is ignored by the right or left both. It’s only the plight of oil that’s on the table. It would not be this peaceful all of a sudden utopia it would be chaos at best. How would all our goods going east go east? Bc that would always be a pain in the ass even if they did join the separation there is a lot of lefties controling that province would be endless negotiations and they’d hold the rest of us by the Yonkers what other option would we have to export?
      Last edited by the big wheel; Jul 3, 2019, 09:20.

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      • bucket
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2008
        • 17016

        #13
        Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
        While I agree with your latter point re farmers and complacency I disagree with the first. As a political movement the truck convoy was a failure and likely had zero influence on the subsequent decision. It barely made mainstream media and although some of you folks think the earth revolves around SK the terminus of the convoy wasn't Regina but Ottawa and it's arrival there was totally overshadowed by the SNC/JWR scandal.

        Regardless the farm vote in either country is insignificant.

        Yup ...the farm vote in the states is so insignificant that they have managed 27 billion and counting in direct support in the last two years....

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        • furrowtickler
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2004
          • 21844

          #14
          Originally posted by the big wheel View Post
          Furrow do you think ag would be the priority or oil in a separatist west? Ag would go on but could you imagine the rights given to oil over ag? And who would be owning ag? None of the complaints about the west treatment involves how ag is ignored by the right or left both. It’s only the plight of oil that’s on the table. It would not be this peaceful all of a sudden utopia it would be chaos at best. How would all our goods going east go east? Bc that would always be a pain in the ass even if they did join the separation there is a lot of lefties controling that province would be endless negotiations and they’d hold the rest of us by the Yonkers what other option would we have to export?
          I just believe would have a much stronger voice . A government here can not ignore the economic wealth we create ....
          They truly believe in Ottawa we do not exist economically, much like grass just pointed out ... they can hit the ignore button
          Just my opinion....

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          • Oliver88
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2012
            • 4688

            #15
            Originally posted by TASFarms View Post
            Freeland giving millions to the Ukraine. No interest in helping Canadians.
            I guess Climate Barbie was getting too much attention giving our taxpayer $ to the Caribbean party slush funds.

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            • rumrocks
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2018
              • 1166

              #16
              Originally posted by TASFarms View Post
              Freeland giving millions to the Ukraine. No interest in helping Canadians.
              The number one priority for the people of Canada is to take the cheque book away from the children in October, I can't stress this enough. A few months ago someone on here listed the amount of money the Liberals have spent since they came to power, if they could update and repost those totals that would be great.

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              • Oliver88
                Senior Member
                • Dec 2012
                • 4688

                #17
                Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
                While I agree with your latter point re farmers and complacency I disagree with the first. As a political movement the truck convoy was a failure and likely had zero influence on the subsequent decision. It barely made mainstream media and although some of you folks think the earth revolves around SK the terminus of the convoy wasn't Regina but Ottawa and it's arrival there was totally overshadowed by the SNC/JWR scandal.

                Regardless the farm vote in either country is insignificant.
                Of course a Trudeau supporting pro-carbon taxer would dismiss the most successful convoy Canada has ever had. 👎

                The USA farm states have a lot of say in the senate and get a lot of attention from Trump.....unlike with the Trudeau regime where SNC-Lavalin and Bombardier call the shots.

                North Dakota = 2 senators
                South Dakota = 2 senators
                Wyoming = 2 senators
                Montana = 2 senators
                Loony California = 2 senators
                Liberal New York = 2 senators

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                • grassfarmer
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 9734

                  #18
                  Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
                  Of course a Trudeau supporting pro-carbon taxer would dismiss the most successful convoy Canada has ever had. 👎
                  Did it win that award on the grounds of being the first ever or has there actually ever been a previous one?

                  I would say it failed on number of points. First of all the ties to racist/anti-immigrant cost it credibility and diluted the message - one of the original convoy groups in fact cancelled their whole convoy to disassociate themselves from extremists within the yellow vest movement. The convoy that did finally make it to Ottawa had to change their name from Yellow vests to United we Roll for the same reason.
                  Secondly the convoy lacked participation as time wore on - sure it's easy to get a big crowds in trucks in Red Deer and perhaps it peaked in Regina at 7-800 by media reports - but then it fizzled. A local paper here was quoting only 60 vehicles passing through Virden, only 15 of which were Semis although they did say 200 in Ottawa. Seems like lots of fair weather supporters in their own backyards but not so many with the dedication to follow through to Ottawa where numbers were critical.
                  Lastly, and no fault of the organisers or participants, was the timing to land up in Ottawa just when the SNC/JWR scandal broke. That was bad luck but there was no way to predict it but ultimately starved them of the oxygen of publicity when they needed it. You can talk oilfield anger any day of the week in the west, that's easy but it doesn't get you on the national stage. The fact they never even got a meeting with anyone from the Governing party after making it to Ottawa was an indication of failure.

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                  • Oliver88
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 4688

                    #19
                    Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
                    Did it win that award on the grounds of being the first ever or has there actually ever been a previous one?
                    I realize you and your activist farm group the NFU are in favour of the “Leap Manifesto” and want to shut down our energy industry so you will find any weird reason to favour Quebec interests over western Canadians.

                    Anyone who supports carbon taxes, Bill C-69, Bill C-48 and can’t comprehend why oil is better in a pipeline vs on rail......is out of touch with the best interests of prairie grain farmers.

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                    • grassfarmer
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 9734

                      #20
                      Originally posted by Oliver88 View Post
                      I realize you and your activist farm group the NFU are in favour of the “Leap Manifesto” and want to shut down our energy industry so you will find any weird reason to favour Quebec interests over western Canadians.

                      Anyone who supports carbon taxes, Bill C-69, Bill C-48 and can’t comprehend why oil is better in a pipeline vs on rail......is out of touch with the best interests of prairie grain farmers.
                      Oh, I thought you were going to answer the question you highlighted. Has there been a previous Canadian convoy to Ottawa to raise awareness of a particular issue?

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