Wilson-Raybould resigns....

[WiltonRanch]

Re: "culturally ingrained"

Yes

Is 100-150 years, or what ever, not enough time for a culture to change or adapt to a more dominant(not in a negative connotation) culture. Ironically when you measure that time in generations...3-5 isn't very many for a culture to change, especially if they aren't fully submerged in the other one. Then throw in the problems Reservation segregation fostered.

There was nothing wrong with First Nations way of life, it is just a stark difference to the European one that now dominates.

It is great to be proud of your origins. Dwelling in the past leaves you in the past. Irregardless of your culture or race you will be left behind if you don’t change. Was only a generation ago that a catholic and Protestant marrying was taboo. How stupid that looks today. I always hate old geezers knocking today’s world when today’s world gave them a new hip and life saving heart surgery. I hate hippocrates and they exist in all cultures.

[Horse]

While I agree with a lot of what is said here,I would like to see a paper trail of the money being distrubited,how much of that money going to our natives actualy gets to the individuals ,how much is rubed off before it gets to reserve,then how much internaly on native counsel, and these forcasts looking out 5 10 yr,a lot can happen.but the gov thomps there chest and says look what we did.
Its much like the welfare system the average canadian works under,its designed to keep you poor instead of helping you get ahead, As for going to different countrys to help how many of those would go to our reserves in remote areas,I will hazard a guess less than 5%,there is no glory saying I am going to cadote lake,fort Mckay,or other out of the way places to help natives but lit me go to indonesia,africa,south america and all kinds of volenters.
We need nat geo to put spy bots on the money and see where it realy goes.

[farmaholic]

Apologies to the original tread topic for contributing to derailing it, although maybe being "somewhat" related. At this time I can only assume the reason she got shuffled then resigned. Will the truth ever be known? Remember the three sided coin analogy, the head's and tail's sides represent each side's story but the thin edge between them, dividing yet connecting, represents the truth.

Does it send the message only corrupt party-faithful are secure in their job?

[dmlfarmer]

Yes, this thread did get off topic. But to bring it back, there is a very interesting look at the SNC Lavallin/Trudeau issue in today's New York Times. It gives a very good overview of what happened at the company which led up to the current situation. And it is told by a third party without ties to either Liberals or Conservatives so it is devoid of the political rhetoric that is plaguing discussions here. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/world/canada/snc-lavalin-justin-trudeau.html?fbclid=IwAR1GTsZs9fRBnIKFGL5fJlx9zcMY cchvi2_J600Iy6fprQ189UPKT75C3WM https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/15/world/canada/snc-lavalin-justin-trudeau.html?fbclid=IwAR1GTsZs9fRBnIKFGL5fJlx9zcMY cchvi2_J600Iy6fprQ189UPKT75C3WM

[burnt]

Rex was a day late with this Valentine for our pretty boy PM:

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-trudeaus-mistreatment-of-a-female-aboriginal-minister-destroys-all-his-progressive-pretensions https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-trudeaus-mistreatment-of-a-female-aboriginal-minister-destroys-all-his-progressive-pretensions

He leads off with a good one:

“How bad is it?”

“How bad is it …? Well, I hear they’re planning a second trip to India. With brighter costumes and longer dances. That’s how bad. To kick it off they’re going to rename the Rideau River ‘Ganges West.’”

— Mutterings from the Glebe rumour mill.

[farmaholic]

Extra ! Extra read all about it !

Trudeau's principal secretary gerald butts resigns !

It's all unraveling !

Trudeau's "PRINCIPLED" Secretary resigns...... gotta love the irony of words.

God I hope this is the beginning of the end of that ****ed up three ring circus of government we are enduring.

How many more days bucket?

[burnt]

An interesting twitter account to follow with regard to #LavScam -

https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren https://twitter.com/kinsellawarren

Kinsella wastes no love on the sock puppet.

[Guest]

Farmaholic, it was a rhetorical question. Sorry if you felt put on the spot by it. My question was simply to get readers to think rather than accept without question statements like Trudeau gave foreign governments $20 billion. Shocking to the average person with no knowledge of Canadian foreign aid. But not nearly as impressive or inflammatory when you realize the previous Canadian government was giving even more.

Second, readers are led to believe that the $20 billion is wasted. Is it? I could be wrong, but I doubt if Jazz has ever been to a third world nation. And I don't mean staying in a 5 star tourist resort where your only contact with the local population is the housekeepers and bar tenders. I mean actually living as locals do in a third world country. You say when you look at pictures of First Nations children you see people. It is no different when you see children in any country. No matter what country you are in, they are people just like you and me. As the saying goes, But for the grace of God there goes I.

Work on an aid project in the third world and you will be shocked at how far a few dollars go. There are some really great uses of funds that are helping people immensely. Yes there projects which have waste, there is some where dollars are lost to corruption, there are some bad projects, but is it any different than what happens with some of the dollars that have been used for housing on some First Nations?

I could not agree more that what we are doing is not working. IMHO much of it is a result of the last time we tried, through residential schools to "educate" Frist Nations. A generation lost learning to be a family, learning to parent and be parents. We destroyed the social fabric of the First Nations and are now paying the price. And simply throwing money at the problem will not fix it.

So saying stop giving money to those in need in other countries will not solve our First Nation problems. It will merely increase hardships of people who are really in need of help and for which their own government can no or will not assist; whether due to war, economic troubles, or corruption.

so why don't other countries donate to our third world First Nation problem , since we can't fix it ?

[burnt]

G&M reports further, giving a good overview of SCN #Lavscam:

"Court documents obtained by The Globe and Mail show that Kathleen Roussel, director of public prosecutions, had informed SNC-Lavalin on Sept. 4 that she intended to proceed with a prosecution on bribery and fraud charges against the Montreal-based engineering giant stemming from its business dealings in Libya.

Mr. Trudeau has repeatedly said he told Ms. Wilson-Raybould in a Sept. 17 conversation that the decision on the SNC-Lavalin prosecution was hers alone to make, but that concerns were raised about the economic impact of a conviction.

Under Canada’s new deferred prosecution agreement law, the prosecution service is not allowed to consider national economic interest in deciding whether to settle when a company faces charges under the Corruption of Foreign Public Officials Act. A conviction for SNC-Lavalin would mean a 10-year ban from federal contracts."

Butts puppet went to "visit" JWR after the court decided to not allow SCN to cut a deal. Only one reason for that visit to happen.

Trudeau, Butts, Telford, Ahmad, all slippery snakes running from truth. JWR might be playing both ends against the middle.

But then they are Libranos.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trudeau-reviewed-snc-lavalin-options-with-wilson-raybould-after/?utm_medium=Referrer:+Social+Network+/+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trudeau-reviewed-snc-lavalin-options-with-wilson-raybould-after/?utm_medium=Referrer:+Social+Network+/+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links

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Kinsella seems to be enjoying this latest Librano mess; the above clip got his attention, indicating that Butts puppet was clearly guilty of obstructing the judicial process.

You or I try doing that, see what would happen...

http://warrenkinsella.com/2019/02/boom-lavscam-shocker-trudeau-personally-implicated-in-bid-to-pressure-prosecutors/ http://warrenkinsella.com/2019/02/boom-lavscam-shocker-trudeau-personally-implicated-in-bid-to-pressure-prosecutors/