Millions of acres

[jazz]

I don't always agree with klause but he is right that if Canadian ag doesn't change, we are dead.

And we have to be the ones to change it, our govt or farm groups wont. Big input high production, low prices wont work anymore. The oil patch found that out the hard way.

[Marusko]

We are in for a world of hurt it seems. I've been itching to buy land for several years now, haven't been able to pick anything up, maybe it's a blessing in disguise. Between this and the other thread about drought tolerant wheat, all the talk about FSU agronomy catching up, land breaking in FSU and SA, China coming into its own and making massive investment in Africa... Will we be seeing 4$ wheat again? Just because there's so much more production? Maybe I should be buying cows or goats instead just to have a backup plan if all crops lose money.

South America is a big area, I assume it's a mix of climate zones and not all of these new acres would be wheat producing land?

farmaholic, in my area it is the farmers who are driving land prices - up to 7500'ac - the investors are buying the marginal land that sits on the market for a while.

Klause I know you have ties down there, are you thinking of moving there to try your luck in a more ag-friendly country?

Maybe what we need is a crop that can be produced into a plant-based plastic. Replace oil-based plastics with a 'renewable' source. That would tie up a few acres. Can oilseeds be refined into hard plastic?

[Klause]

What I noticed in one of Klause's links.

The backdrop doesn't look very affluent in the first video and WTF is with the "GreyHound" logo on the railcars? So GreyHound pulls out of people bus transportation in Canada and invests in Argentina rail transportation? If that is actually the same company logo?

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No.


Trenes Argentinos Cargas' has a similar logo but I think it's a cheetah. Not the same company, no affiliation with Greyhound.


More information (rail network: https://www.bcyl.com.ar/red https://www.bcyl.com.ar/red )
Tariffs: https://www.bcyl.com.ar/tarifarios https://www.bcyl.com.ar/tarifarios
Fleet: https://www.bcyl.com.ar/flota https://www.bcyl.com.ar/flota

[Klause]

This map is telling.


Argentina has a significant logistical advantage in their geography, just by how far inland their port and river system goes, just look at where Porto Barranqueras is in relation to tidewater.

It's why it's so very critical we maintain and expand our rail network and pipeline network. We don't have navigable rivers, so we need to build infrastructure to do the work of water ways.



Full image: https://www.bcyl.com.ar/images/mapas/MapaBasesLogisticas.jpg https://www.bcyl.com.ar/images/mapas/MapaBasesLogisticas.jpg

[pourfarmer]

Brazil has plains and rainforests...

The land being cleared in Argentina isn't... Very little rain Forrest. It's semi arrid plains huge, thinly populated quebracho trees with a bunch of shrubbery in between.

Its not just happening in Argentina, its all over SA.

Brazil is going through a transformation, from government owned non productive grazing lands to private owned for commodity production.

From Wikipedia: As of 2009 Brazil had about 106,000,000 hectares (260,000,000 acres) of undeveloped fertile land.

[hobbyfrmr]

Well...what the **** you guys????

They are destroying the lungs of the planet down in south america to grow more food for a hungry world....


You have to be part of it....The WCWGA says you are selfish if you don't grow more with the help of of a seed tax....people are starving...

People have always been starving and until political leaders want to solve the problem it will stay that way....


You have to want to keep up producing more.....DON'T you???

I sure do....here comes 2019....full throttle men.....

I heard this one the other day.
F**k, fight, hold the light or carry out the dead.!!!

[jazz]

I heard this one the other day.
F**k, fight, hold the light or carry out the dead.!!!

We should be concerned but not a full panic yet. What will the crop be - soya, then that's not much of a threat. Secondly, the govt. Socialism is rampant down there and could throw a wrench in to things.


In a sense, Canadian farmers are very lazy. They just want to keep doing the same thing, same crops the only change they make is getting more land. That's not going to cut it in the future. A better mix of crops, more cover crops in the mix, more value added processing (oil, biodiesel, pulse protein and somebody for the love of god build a fricken pasta plant already).

[Klause]

We should be concerned but not a full panic yet. What will the crop be - soya, then that's not much of a threat. Secondly, the govt. Socialism is rampant down there and could throw a wrench in to things.

Argentina grows crops in cycles... wheat is a major crop (they are one of our biggest competitors already).

Lentils, peas, chickpeas. Flax, barley, canola (winter ****), oats.

They grow all our crops in their winter season, and then grow soy or corn in summer. The thing to watch is price swings. When soy profitability drops (You'll hear about "second soy") acres swing quickly into other crops.

Government policy - The "entitlements" the government likes to impose are primarily against soy, then wheat and corn.

Rarely against other crops, so swings to acreages of minor crops happen rapidly depending on government policy also. Important to keep an eye on things. Socialist (well, peronist) governments tend to screw economies up so quickly down there it's hard to believe it possible.

Right now, Brazil just elected the most right wing government in the world. Argentina is led by a reformist conservative that's been kidnapped, intimidated, and just about killed... He's passionate for his country, and even though there's hard times through reforms he's maintaining popularity - especially since (alternative) Kirchnerism is hated by all still (for now).


Uruguay has a stable government, they've never had the see-saw and socialist problems of their neighbours, but they are also a minor producer.


Paraguay is the stupid little brother, but it's scary to see the development happening even there.

The thing is they have indeterminate growing seasons and that not only increases cropping flexibility, but it cuts the time to adapt into a half or a third of ours, because something is almost always ready to harvest and something else about to be seeded.


South America is a huge place... And they produce cotton, peanuts and Yerba Mate... then turn around and grow barley and flax and chickpeas... Travel a few hundred miles and its g****s... Or citrus fruits...

[furrowtickler]

Argentina grows crops in cycles... wheat is a major crop (they are one of our biggest competitors already).

Lentils, peas, chickpeas. Flax, barley, canola (winter ****), oats.

They grow all our crops in their winter season, and then grow soy or corn in summer. The thing to watch is price swings. When soy profitability drops (You'll hear about "second soy") acres swing quickly into other crops.

Government policy - The "entitlements" the government likes to impose are primarily against soy, then wheat and corn.

Rarely against other crops, so swings to acreages of minor crops happen rapidly depending on government policy also. Important to keep an eye on things. Socialist (well, peronist) governments tend to screw economies up so quickly down there it's hard to believe it possible.

Right now, Brazil just elected the most right wing government in the world. Argentina is led by a reformist conservative that's been kidnapped, intimidated, and just about killed... He's passionate for his country, and even though there's hard times through reforms he's maintaining popularity - especially since (alternative) Kirchnerism is hated by all still (for now).


Uruguay has a stable government, they've never had the see-saw and socialist problems of their neighbours, but they are also a minor producer.


Paraguay is the stupid little brother, but it's scary to see the development happening even there.

The thing is they have indeterminate growing seasons and that not only increases cropping flexibility, but it cuts the time to adapt into a half or a third of ours, because something is almost always ready to harvest and something else about to be seeded.


South America is a huge place... And they produce cotton, peanuts and Yerba Mate... then turn around and grow barley and flax and chickpeas... Travel a few hundred miles and its g****s... Or citrus fruits...

It will be interesting to see how or if the South American farmers get hit with carbon tax ... or which countries in South America even implement a carbon tax on their farmers.

[bucket]

It will be interesting to see how or if the South American farmers get hit with carbon tax ... or which countries in South America even implement a carbon tax on their farmers.

Or a seed tax????