Seed Synergy... what does our Canadian seed system.. need to do?

[furrowtickler]

Tom I am not not concerned about seed growers rolling in cash .... they have a lot of due diligence to follow to produce seed, most of us get that .
Simply asking someone to show us , primary producers, how we will absorb even more additional costs without some kind of premiums to off set the extra seed costs and or royalties. That and even more expense when the carbon tax hits us . The numbers on cereals are already dismal .


You simply danced around that question like a professional politician lol .
Nexera canola is an example , pay for the seed , get a premium .
Hope this new seed royalty system coming forward results in higher farm gate prices for these crops , our it will not matter how much seed or the royalties are .... no one will grow those crops with added costs .. not very many people would go to work day after day to lose money would they ???

[bucket]

Dear Bucket,
Your advice... does not reconcile with our decades of experiences. Our family have found premiums for our grains... and discounts avoided;
1. for high quality grain;
2. prompt service [by our farm] that adds value to our produce for the commercial elevator and or enduser alike;
3. accurate representation by our samples which results in our farms delivery matching quality and volume contracted/marketed/bought by our marketing partners/customers.
4a. We have found.. over the years... end users/customers... seek our produce... and work with us to add real measurable premiums;
4b. As we farm with quality control protocols... that add value to our produce... for our partners whom purchase our farm grains...our family provides.
Sincerely, Tom

Just tell your masters not to tax my farm.....


If you like the seed tax ...pay it yourself. ...make it voluntary....then you can pay it ....

And I can have the option if I feel like it....


As far as your comments about quality ...where are the protein premiums on durum for the last 2 years?

I don't know why I bother with this conversation....you and your ilk have got your seed tax implemented by years of lobbying. ....you are going to butt**** average farmers with or without lube....but that's what religious men do in their churches. ...right TOM4ASS****INGHISNEIGHBORS....? ????

[TOM4CWB]

Dear Bucket,
Your advice... does not reconcile with our decades of experiences. Our family have found premiums for our grains... and discounts avoided;
1. for high quality grain;
2. prompt service [by our farm] that adds value to our produce for the commercial elevator and or enduser alike;
3. accurate representation by our samples which results in our farms delivery matching quality and volume contracted/marketed/bought by our marketing partners/customers.
4a. We have found.. over the years... end users/customers... seek our produce... and work with us to add real measurable premiums;
4b. As we farm with quality control protocols... that add value to our produce... for our partners whom purchase our farm grains...our family provides.
Sincerely, Tom

Tom4yourself

The world doesn't want good quality grain nor do they want to pay for it....and we are not emptying our bins...


It something you guys lobbying for this don't understand.


When a grainco buys a 5cwad for more than a 2cwad....why do we need quality?

And higher production has never resulted in higher prices....

Please quit preying on my farm because you lobby governments to do so.....

You never liked the forcefulness of the CWB....seems like you have taken a few pages from their playbook about taking from family farms by taxing their hard work on the grain they grow ...

Just a bit hypocritical. ...actually a lot. ....

No worries ...you are one day closer to Sunday to make it alright. ...

[farmaholic]

....sadly, for some people justification and denial helps to clear their guilty conscience!

[farmaholic]

Bucket, Tom4himself believes in mandatory tithing and everyone is required to give to "His" Money God.

God bless him.....

[bucket]

Furrowtickler,
If our grain quality, and productivity, fail to meet the needs of endusers/consumers... and fail to be competitive globally...
As other nations do progressively respond to the needs of consumers/endusers... and advance in productivity and profitability in other major global grain growing regions...

Seems to me... we...failing to meet the future challenges and changes...is short sighted and will clearly reduce the value of future farmers capital assets... particularly in the long term. For grain farmers... looking to continue the farm for decades... and intergenerationally... cutting R&D is short sighted and will depreciate future revenues. Seed companies in Canada... especially in the Western Canadian cereal sector... are not generally not flush with cash.
Further
The cereal plant breeding sector is about 75% federally publicly funded... if we can't stop the feds from withdrawing from the public cereal plant breeding programs... we all lose productivity and adaptive value added... by failing to progressively meet the changing needs of endusers/consumers.

Private cereal breeding is small... in western Canada...because it is not particularly profitable...

Not because plant breeders and the Western Canadian seed industry... is rolling in cash. Thx Tom

Tom4yourself

The world doesn't want good quality grain nor do they want to pay for it....and we are not emptying our bins...


It something you guys lobbying for this don't understand.


When a grainco buys a 5cwad for more than a 2cwad....why do we need quality?

And higher production has never resulted in higher prices....

Please quit preying on my farm because you lobby governments to do so.....

You never liked the forcefulness of the CWB....seems like you have taken a few pages from their playbook about taking from family farms by taxing their hard work on the grain they grow ...

Just a bit hypocritical. ...actually a lot. ....

No worries ...you are one day closer to Sunday to make it alright. ...

[TOM4CWB]

Furrowtickler,
If our grain quality, and productivity, fail to meet the needs of endusers/consumers... and fail to be competitive globally...
As other nations do progressively respond to the needs of consumers/endusers... and advance in productivity and profitability in other major global grain growing regions...

Seems to me... we...failing to meet the future challenges and changes...is short sighted and will clearly reduce the value of future farmers capital assets... particularly in the long term. For grain farmers... looking to continue the farm for decades... and intergenerationally... cutting R&D is short sighted and will depreciate future revenues. Seed companies in Canada... especially in the Western Canadian cereal sector... are not generally not flush with cash.
Further
The cereal plant breeding sector is about 75% federally publicly funded... if we can't stop the feds from withdrawing from the public cereal plant breeding programs... we all lose productivity and adaptive value added... by failing to progressively meet the changing needs of endusers/consumers.

Private cereal breeding is small... in western Canada...because it is not particularly profitable...

Not because plant breeders and the Western Canadian seed industry... is rolling in cash. Thx Tom

Remember to add in all the additional costs of carbon tax’s as well as the seed (royalties) ... tax in all figures.
Someone show us how we are not going to lose money ... I am interested to see how this will be accomplished.

[furrowtickler]

Remember to add in all the additional costs of carbon tax’s as well as the seed (royalties) ... tax in all figures.
Someone show us how we are not going to lose money ... I am interested to see how this will be accomplished.

[furrowtickler]

So we need to grow more , increase yields and use more inputs for what again ???? $3/bus wheat ??
So who benefits from this system again??
Oh yes , absolutely everyone in the ag industry except for the primary producers.
I challenge one expert, or Tom , to prove me wrong here ...
the primary producer in this situation will be the only one not to benefit from this system going forward... in fact we will have only increased costs for the benefit of every one else .... again if you disagree .. prove me wrong ... show all of us the math of how the primary producers will benefit..

[sawfly1]

A little off topic , sorry
But could relate to Triffid.

Like canola now, in future when ownership , of all seeds retains with the seed
Co.s we only lease the right for a season at a time.

What happens when we cancel the lease .
All the volunteers.belong to the seed Co. Correct.
So really it should be their
Responsibility .to get come get their crap .