Seed Synergy... what does our Canadian seed system.. need to do?

[bucket]

The good news is TOM4HISMASTERS has admitted where the triffid flax issues came from....

The same guys that have been lobbying for years for a seed tax....


It won't matter quality or variety in our wheat market when the same people **** it up again....

Every variety of flax was affected by TRIFFID.

Every variety of wheat will be affected with an outbreak of roundup ready wheat.....it's been here and supposedly cleaned out for years...but still shows up ....

Will those responsible ever be held accountable....nope....just pay for seed and a seed tax as well...

[sawfly1]

Like others have said , seed growers are not the problem.
They are just the mouthpiece for the industry.
We have seen what has happened
With Canola.
So we know where this is going.

Eventually you will be stuck with
Limited choices ,
You will not be able treat seed
Yourself . Safety reasons . Of course.

Then you can not buy the seed
Without treatment. Because that is all that they sell.

Pretty easy to see what is ahead.
Turn 10$ wheat seed cost into 30-40$ or more . All crops peas etc.80$/acre

It does not happen instantly.
That is too big a shock and they have to eliminate the other choices first.

Their intentions are pretty clear in that the variety owners can pull the registration at any time.
And use agreement s prohibit
Holding on to varieties.

It is not instant. You have to run the others out of town first.
Public and pulse growers breeding gone in 10 years

[jcv]

Somebody commented that quality is no better? The government went to a different system for evaluating varieties, and many did not have the quality we assumed.
Brandon wheat is a variety that was not tested thru the new "older" more expensive system, and may not have the qualities of CWRS. If we grow CWRS, varieties will need to change to meet the quality aspects of the variety. Maybe we shouldn't grow CWRS, but CNHR or other similar varieties, if quality is not a factor.

[TOM4CWB]

Walterm,
We had flax on our farm.. . directly from breeder seed... that tested positive for Triffid. Breeder seed that was contaminated... and therefore most varieties needed to be reconstituted from scratch.

Have heard 2 plausible theories:
1- There was never any Triffid to begin with it was just a made up issue to see what reaction would be and how hard it would be to flush an entire system to get rid of old stock and bring in all new. Fast forward PBR UPOV91 and what we are facing today.

2 - We know that only a few seed growers had access to Triffid in the first place and they were growers that would give seed industry and maybe some producer groups a bad name if they were held accountable so cover up implemented.

On another note end of this month is when Grain Companies have to have CNHR flushed out as CWRS. I wonder if it is all gone and accounted for. Will there be a full 3rd party audit of whole system?

[TOM4CWB]

Waltern,
Breeder seed are distributed directly from plant breeders; through seed co's that own[are responsible for] a specific variety. Select seed growers [who go through 5 years of CFIA oversight or 'probation' seed production...to earn this Select grower status]
Select seed growers can then multiply the bag of breeder seed to a maximum further 4 select generations...
....or demote any time to foundation status when needed at any of these select generations..
then foundation status seed usually seeded to produce Registered status seed...
then registered seed results in certified seed...
At each generational level maintaining specified purity of the variety being produced for the stated generation of pedigreed seed being grown.
Seed stocks are issued a 'crop certificate' for each field grown each year... with field inspections for purity required by 3rd party crop inspectors checking each field each year.
The Canada Seeds Act regulates these regulations... administered by the CSGA...who issues the Crop Certificates... after crop field inspections are submitted and checked against regulated standards.
Seed stocks of any generation... with the permission of the Seed co... can be transferred to another CSGA seed grower.

Tom do you have to buy new seed every year or can you seed your own Certified Seed and then sell it's product as certified seed or seed it again and sell the next years production as Certified? Honestly don't know how the system works!

[bucket]

Have heard 2 plausible theories:
1- There was never any Triffid to begin with it was just a made up issue to see what reaction would be and how hard it would be to flush an entire system to get rid of old stock and bring in all new. Fast forward PBR UPOV91 and what we are facing today.

2 - We know that only a few seed growers had access to Triffid in the first place and they were growers that would give seed industry and maybe some producer groups a bad name if they were held accountable so cover up implemented.

On another note end of this month is when Grain Companies have to have CNHR flushed out as CWRS. I wonder if it is all gone and accounted for. Will there be a full 3rd party audit of whole system?

There is only CNHR on the prairies. ...it's all exported as CWRS. ..and they gave a little more time to blend it all off...

Tiffid was a result of irresponsible seed growers......keeping seed to sell as common in a pinch....

It was supposed to have been all flushed out prior to the issue's a few years later....someone didn't and then the breeders ****ed it up as well. ...but they sent the bill to farmers ....since it was so easy ....why not a seed tax....

[furrowtickler]

You bet seed growers brown bag !

They also sell diseased seed or seed that doesn't germinate !

Some of the worst seed is the seed that gets sold to Farmers !

Sorry wiseguy ... that’s simply not true .
There are many seed growers in my area, and this statement of yours is no different than the b/S from some that we all doused our crops in glyphosate, or we all just throw massive amounts of N fertilizer around to kill the climate ... exaggeration to hurt others business... that borders on defamation..... there is no need to over exaggerate what is most likely very isolated incidents .
This is part of the negative issue with this Ag site that is disturbing.
Let’s have discussions, we will never all agree but let’s not intentionally try to crucify each other ... especially those of us who actually farm here and try to raise a family .

[walterm]

very , very, very hard to figure who ****ed the flax market up with triffid ( that nobody. ****ing wanted anyway , except for the leach pricks that wanted to sell it) lol , why didn't they put their god damn ex rcmp force on it , no money in it for them I guess
but very easy to go after some farmer who brown bagged seed
in the end they just said "**** it , farmers can pay for the next ten years"
you lost all your credibility when you laid that cost on us

Have heard 2 plausible theories:
1- There was never any Triffid to begin with it was just a made up issue to see what reaction would be and how hard it would be to flush an entire system to get rid of old stock and bring in all new. Fast forward PBR UPOV91 and what we are facing today.

2 - We know that only a few seed growers had access to Triffid in the first place and they were growers that would give seed industry and maybe some producer groups a bad name if they were held accountable so cover up implemented.

On another note end of this month is when Grain Companies have to have CNHR flushed out as CWRS. I wonder if it is all gone and accounted for. Will there be a full 3rd party audit of whole system?

Wmoebis,
It cannot be absolutely proved... BUT
Triffid contamination appears to have been magnified through plant breeding stocks... after being contaminated with the triffid genetics at the top levels... then spread through the breeder seed/pedigreed seed system ... with contamination very difficult to identify...
years of reproduction went by[perhaps over 10 years]...
Then it was very difficult and costly to completely rebuild seed varieties and stocks from the top down.

very , very, very hard to figure who ****ed the flax market up with triffid ( that nobody. ****ing wanted anyway , except for the leach pricks that wanted to sell it) lol , why didn't they put their god damn ex rcmp force on it , no money in it for them I guess
but very easy to go after some farmer who brown bagged seed
in the end they just said "**** it , farmers can pay for the next ten years"
you lost all your credibility when you laid that cost on us

[farmaholic]

Farmaholic....

this is why seed people like TOM4HIMSELF sells common seed for a premium over market prices.....that way nothing for the coop.....

There is nothing wrong with older varieties with average production when the ****ing transportion system can't handle more production...


Maybe you should try another hunger strike for your seed tax lobby, Tom?

Are you saying some seed growers might be "brown bagging" their own certified seed?

Hmmm? Interesting concept. Less money for Breeder's R&D