Comments from seed royalty meeting

[westernvicki]

One farmer did suggest a producer owned seed company?

Where could this go?

LIMAGRAIN is a farmer owned seed company, if we need a model.

[westernvicki]

The meeting isolated the question between two choices, one obvious. I guess what bothers me is the age old debate about who pays who benefits and how it relates to the national policy of Canada is one that needs to happen but it was not in the room.

Canada & farmers cannot ignore the fact that increasing global competition from lower cost, more ideally located geographically production zones is real, the debate of how we compete globally, is one the nation should have.

Keeping up with genetic edge is vital to Canadian crop competitiveness, the way the costs are split is the question.

[bucket]

Yes your right, apparently we are already renting our seed.
**** it sink or swim! If they develop a seed that provides real value it will sell. If they invest there own money it would make them accountable. lets learn from the canola bull shit, how much of our money was wasted developing hundreds of varieties of canola ? If this type of research requires so much money how did we end up with too many canola varieties to name they only get numbers now?
Play with your own money!
Go run this shit past the dragons den.

They like royalty deals on Dragons Den....its almost like government officials watch it too often ...

Who ever goes to Edmonton ....use this line....

You guys have been watching too much Dragons Den or Shark Tank or Kevin Oleary....

[SASKFARMER3]

This whole topic pisses me off to no end.

One look at the Canola Shit show farmers, That's what you will get from this useless seed tax. It's about profit for parasites and pennies for farmers.

Mother nature still holds the Cards in Western Canada.

Yes, I grew a huge wheat crop this year and it was thanks to a few things.

1. Moisture in Ground to start with.
2. Three Timely spots of rain.
3. Fertility program that makes farmers edge look cheap.
4. Sprays that keep weed population down and good burnoff.
5.Fungicides if needed.
6. finally an important factor in wheat variety I grow.

But here is the kicker. In our part of the world, we grew straw and finally a nice head that produced a 50-bushel crop back in a day or 57 at best.

No, it's not manipulator its parent was an American wheat variety that the Canadian company used to get a shorter semidwarf spring wheat variety.

Shorter straw by up to two feet.

That two feet of growth took time to produce that straw and used fert. and energy and days.

Canada is a short season cropping country and one screw up it's all for nothing.

No forgiveness here.

So Yes I paid top dollar for the variety when it came out I had my choice of about 10 or more but chose this one. It responded for our area and works.

But to pay over and over and over its insane, What if you had one of the others and it gave 60 HRS wow you think I hit the mother load. HAHAHAHAH. Reality it is a dud.

HRS wheat yields in Eastern Sask and Manitoba were Excellent this year with some an 8 in front number.

Yes, boys, wheat can grow to that level.

But miss one rain and it's 40 or less.

They still get their cash.

Pick a shit variety they still win.

Again whoever thinks this is a great way to change seed is a complete F#$King Moron.

Farmers need to start doing like France and burn the F#$K3ers down.

They take and take and take and give nothing more than peanuts back.

Your work for them and they profit while you suffer.

Fert costs to grow the Yields we had this year will cost our farm an extra $120,000.00 and if it turns dry were down to maybe a 45-bushel crop. With seed tax and chem increase and fert. skyrocket your losing money.

But they don't care its just the stupid farmer.

Boom thanks for playing here's your tax.

I did some early numbers for 2019 crop year and I expect my wheat yields to be down unless timely rain happen. With the extra cost of fert and now I know an increase is coming on chemical and the carbon tax. Plus companys buying each other out and making one new one. Profit will be the min for HRS. Where do I get to add to my price to get some of the extra costs back?

Nowhere as I have to sell on the world price and get what's left after paying all the bills.

Again if it comes to be Its another nail in a farmers coffin brought to you by stupid farmers, stupid Governments who fall for this shit.

Canola didn't work Wheat sure as hell won't.

Some wonder why I hate and discourage farming.

Money was made in the past now Pennies are being made the next step is working for nothing and finally were like India farmers ****ED>

Don't like what I say I really don't give a rats ass. This is a stupid idiotic idea what farmer thinks he will prosper with this is insane.

Where less than 20 away from a 100 but it wasn't all thanks to seed just an old american variety brought north.

[GOODRUM]

Yes your right, apparently we are already renting our seed.
**** it sink or swim! If they develop a seed that provides real value it will sell. If they invest there own money it would make them accountable. lets learn from the canola bull shit, how much of our money was wasted developing hundreds of varieties of canola ? If this type of research requires so much money how did we end up with too many canola varieties to name they only get numbers now?
Play with your own money!
Go run this shit past the dragons den.

[farmaholic]

A buck a tonne on end point royalty on wheat and durum is 35 million pretty quick....and people don't like the way the CGC built their fund.....

Not once but year in year out year in year out into perpetuity.

[bucket]

it was a good idea but I always thought by paying a checkoff that contributed to new varieties we already owned some part of it....not so.

But I don't know how we can pay the upfront money through a checkoff and then end point royalties as well....all I know is someone wants more money off my farm whether its more checkoff or royalties / taxes...

[GOODRUM]

I arrived late and didn't hear the early discussions. It seemed to me the only ones in agreement had a connection to a raise increase.
I like the idea that farmers should receive the benefits by owning the seed rights.
Who was the gentleman who suggested this?

[bucket]

A buck a tonne on end point royalty on wheat and durum is 35 million pretty quick....and people don't like the way the CGC built their fund.....

[farmaholic]

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