Prof downplays carbon tax’s farm impact

[AlbertaFarmer5]

Exactly. Hmmmm....government needs a boogeyman to scare up money to operate. Something relatively obscure where the average citizen cannot be bothered to quantify it. They can not see it, can not smell it, cannot feel/touch it, can not hear it or taste it. Its not easily measured and the new generation of people have not loved long enough to realize that the weather changes, sometimes deathly cold, sometimes deathly windy, or deathly hot and/or cold. Sometimes record high temperatures in the day and record frost at night.
Its the weather, that it, no boogeyman, just the weather. Dress accordingly. Any day of the year in Saskatchewan if you are going to be outside always bring a jacket.

Well said. Students of marketing, propaganda, politics and psychology( maybe even science, if the concept survives this assault) will be studying this, the biggest and most successful scam in history for centuries to come. Even I have to admire how this was orchestrated.

[FarmJunkie]

Not sure what the point of engaging these debates is gonna solve. The common sense factor left the building long ago when we decided it was ok to create deficits and start the IOU scam. Now look where we ended up and the boys and girls in charge are trying to figure out how to pay for it. They just haven’t admitted that that problem we created ourselves can’t and will never be fixed either. We create all our own problems by not using common sense and to me my common sense tells me to look out my own door and ask myself how much has the weather changed in my 50 years. How much has it changed in my father and grandfathers 100 years? No scientist or his studies is worth a shit because most are bought and paid for by someone and no matter what they find we can’t change or fix the out come of the weather.
If been around the world a bit and to the same places a few times after many years and in my observations the water level on the coasts and the temperature in the north hasn’t changed much. Tide still comes in and goes out. Still gets cold and ice forms in Hudson Bay and the bears leave for the winter. Still lots of them to. But when u have experts who spew whatever studies they are paid to find the “right” results for most people don’t check or care what they say. It’s just white noise that most people don’t wanna be bothered with because they have enuf of their own problems to worry about. However if u hear that same message over and over and over you begin to think that message must be true. Hence the use of common sense every time u hear an expert spew evidence that the end is near only to have another expert spew the opposite tells me their expertise is nothing of the sort and shouldn’t be taken as gospel. Use that lump 3 feet above your ass!

[dmlfarmer]

Farm Junkie, could you provide evidence of your claims: "No scientist or his studies is worth a shit because most are bought and paid for by someone..." and "But when u have experts who spew whatever studies they are paid to find the “right” results"
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[Tucker]

Type...Delete...Type...Delete.. Dammit. Just know that you and all your socialist ilk are HATED by the very people who provide food for your table 'chuck. Eat your cheap bread and ****ing choke on it. Your glory days at the CWB are ****ing over and thank God and Stephen Harper for that! Get used to it and just slip into retirement peacefully. Maybe justin will still drop you some scraps off his table because you've been such a loyalist.

I know that you don't drive a Prius or a Volt 'chuck. I know that Grassfarmer won't scrap his old John Deere and buy a new tier 4 diesel tractor because all you socialist bastards are only about spending everybody else's money. Well Thatcher had a good quote years ago. "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"

I know who you are. I hate you.

[grassfarmer]

I know that Grassfarmer won't scrap his old John Deere and buy a new tier 4 diesel tractor because all you socialist bastards are only about spending everybody else's money.

Right answer but wrong reasons. Besides there not being the kind of money in cattle production to justify purchase of $200,000 tractors I also realize that the embodied emissions taken to produce a new tractor typically rival the exhaust emissions over its entire lifetime. For that reason, with our low usage, it is more environmentally friendly to stick with the one already in existence. Oh and by the way we did buy our tractor with our own money - cash. By your logic the majority of farmers buying the big new fancy tractors must be the socialists as they are using the banks, or leasing companies money.

[SASKFARMER3]

Grass your funny. Bragging you purchased a tractor cash!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Good for you.

[sumdumguy]

Interesting graph.
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Who the f can’t make a fictional “graph” like that Idiotchuck? Get lost!

[bucket]

Right answer but wrong reasons. Besides there not being the kind of money in cattle production to justify purchase of $200,000 tractors I also realize that the embodied emissions taken to produce a new tractor typically rival the exhaust emissions over its entire lifetime. For that reason, with our low usage, it is more environmentally friendly to stick with the one already in existence. Oh and by the way we did buy our tractor with our own money - cash. By your logic the majority of farmers buying the big new fancy tractors must be the socialists as they are using the banks, or leasing companies money.

I usually don't engage is this but you made an interesting comment that I have to highlight...""""with our low usage , it is more environmentally friendly to stick with the one already in existence...."""

Exactly, and the same goes to minimum till farming....hours have been reduced on equipment...

If someone would study the reduction in hours on equipment on any farm....they would realize the largest reduction in emissions has come from not operating ...A tractor at rest doesn't pollute...

As a matter of fact...all the emission garbage on equipment hasn't reduced pollution anywhere near the fact of reduced hours on a machine...

Dad's farm was farmed 50/50 until the mid 90s. Our 4wd tractors easily had 5000 hours on them in 5 years...

I farm as much as that farm did and it would take nearly triple the years to put those hours on ...

Sumerfallow kept me busy but also polluting...now its like 300 hours on tractor seeding and some tillage...and 100 hours on the sprayer...

If I add in the sprayer and seeding time on tractors back in dad's era ...hours would be even higher....

[chuckChuck]

Michael Chong who ran for the Leadership of the Conservative Party and is a sitting Conservative MP supports a carbon tax as do many business leaders including several representing the oil industry. Also Preston Manning.

Chong and Manning are socialists? I don't think so.

There is support in the conservative movement because a carbon tax is a market based approach that lets consumers and industry decide how best to reduce emissions instead of governments telling them what to do.

[chuckChuck]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/19/china-aims-to-drastically-cut-greenhouse-gas-emissions-through-trading-scheme

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-02/china-s-carbon-emissions-may-have-peaked-as-climate-policy-bites