So if supply management issue will save Canada then why not?

[binthere]

Security,safety,ample supply trumps capitalism.

[jazz]

So please name all the industries that should be supported? is it just ag? what about lumber, or oil, or potash?

Exactly what industries should we eliminate all competition and impose artificial pricing?

The US ag subsidy system isnt just a commodity support. Its a community support and its nation wide. It keeps rural areas going and the spin off of jobs in the local communities. US small towns rock compared to ours. Thats why middle of nowhere states have big populations.

Our SM system is localized in southern quebec mostly for votes.

If you guys support this kind of wealth distribution then you need to support it all the way. Every industry is entitled and watch as your govt goes even beyond that - Liberals gave $20B into overseas wealth distribution schemes.

Careful...

However, a case could be made for support of "critical" industries perhaps food and energy or something. I do believe that a nations sovereignty is directly tied to its independence. Getting your happy meals toys from china isnt critical, but I would not want my food coming from there.

[bucket]

So please name all the industries that should be supported? is it just ag? what about lumber, or oil, or potash?

Exactly what industries should we eliminate all competition and impose artificial pricing?

The US ag subsidy system isnt just a commodity support. Its a community support and its nation wide. It keeps rural areas going and the spin off of jobs in the local communities. US small towns rock compared to ours. Thats why middle of nowhere states have big populations.

Our SM system is localized in southern quebec mostly for votes.

If you guys support this kind of wealth distribution then you need to support it all the way. Every industry is entitled and watch as your govt goes even beyond that - Liberals gave $20B into overseas wealth distribution schemes.

Careful...

Royalty holidays for potash and oil are subsidies ....it allows the company to get the easy money before they pay a royalty on reduced production....and exactly who is cleaning up the mess left behind...

Remember when Brad Wall suggested money to clean up abandoned wells as a job creator when shit hit the fan?


But you are right the subsidies the US hands out is to keep communities viable and it works....but at the same time it reduces our revenue in western canada....because our grain is priced off the US markets before adding in subsidies.

[sawfly1]

I just thought it was very strange , where the American's were discussing the whole thing.
that some of even greatest right wing Trumpers were thinking the US should adopt
something similar . to supply management.
just to keep smaller dairy's in business .

in a lot of cases the corporations that process the milk and sell it , own the mega dairy's. too.
with oversupply , they will use the mega dairy milk first.
leaving the small guys with the crumbs .


maybe the Hutterites have cheap enough labor to compete ,
but it may even be tough for them.


quota should have never been a production expense in supply management here .
got too valuable , and now to pay it out ,

wow , it is great if you are wanting to sell your farm , in the near future
just what the Hutterites need is more money to buy land .

do we have goals or values we want to maintain as a country ?
or just every man for himself , no matter what the consequences .

questions like , if it is every man for himself, in everything
well there is more money
in condos built on the AG land in BC Frazier valley , than the food it grows ,
so you do pave it over.

and other questions like
what is happening with BSE , the milk producing hormone , legal in the states but not here.
does the US have to have separate herds , without the drug to ship milk here?
or will it be legal here ?

and what environmental costs , do 20,000 cow dairy's have .
VS smaller herds spread around .

then to staff them with no local people .

is it right to bring in foreign workers , give them no benefits and send them home
when they are used up. with no health care or pension,
( I am not sure exactly how that works ,so I am just guessing , that is probably the case )

[jazz]

The market has a way to deal with oversupply. Its called pricing.

Would you keep producing tons of wheat or canola if the price dropped in half?

It has a way to deal with undersupply as well. Should milk really be $10 a gallon? Work that out in equivalent terms to the commodities we produce.

The US system backs the cost of production mostly. Thats what we have with crop insurance mostly, but should profit be backed as well? I dont think so.

[bucket]

there is no such thing as a market when the exchanges are based in the states for pricing and every president announces billions in adhoc payments in addition to a fairly generous farm support program...

Farmers can grow 200 bpa corn and be waiting for farm support payments because the price dropped below a certain level...

Is that the market you refer to.....because that whats lowering our revenue in western canada.

And there is no market for lentils flax peas mustard ....those are spec plays

[jazz]

And there is no market for lentils flax peas ....those are spec plays

American farmers play in the big commodity markets, we are more niche players. Other than wheat and canola, the the other crops are small acres and thats a good thing. Last thing we want is the americans growing lentils. You can get a few months futures on flax still. Dont know about pulses.

[bucket]

American farmers play in the big commodity markets, we are more niche players. Other than wheat and canola, the the other crops are small acres and thats a good thing. Last thing we want is the americans growing lentils. You can get a few months futures on flax still. Dont know about pulses.

Wait till an american corn grower from Nebraska learns about growing lentils under irrigation where he can reduce his water usage and probably have the same return...

In 2016 ...3500 acres of the 10000 irrigated acres at Riverhurst were lentils....I shit you not.

[fjlip]

SM is not working, all small dairies and dairy farms are gone, swallowed by millionaires. No diff than rest of AG. Sorry. Quotas should have always been allocated, never allowed to be sold. Then a certain size could have been favored to keep dairies small and local. Big mistake!

[Jay-mo]

If SM is so great and helps keep "small" dairies profitable, why have almost all the dairies in my area disappeared in the last 10 years?
From what I hear, small dairies selling out their quota, is where the big money is at.