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    #11
    Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
    LOL, the same "normal folk" that were upset at the possibility of having to pay an increased tax rate on their income over $200,000 once all their expenses were paid?
    Carbon tax putting vacations out of the picture? - come on the carbon tax is a fraction of the price increases regularly put on fuel by the oil companies.
    You realize you have to pay your land payments, your machinery payments, your bin payments, your home mortgage (for some of us) payments with that income... right?

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      #12
      Originally posted by Klause View Post
      You realize you have to pay your land payments, your machinery payments, your bin payments, your home mortgage (for some of us) payments with that income... right?
      Yup how much is enough,, Just a little bit more.

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        #13
        I won’t vacation in the USA until there is a change in attitude of the govt there. China said it was too hostile for its countrymen so it’s too hostile for my family too. Really feel sad things are devolving to this but if the leadership wants to stick it to us no matter how much of a moron we have for a leader we don’t feel welcome. They know this too. I’d like to travel Argentina Brazil Uruguay etc. Even Canada itself. Maybe visit relatives down east. Tourism is a big driver in some parts of the world. When it is perceived the people or govt is unwelcoming tourism goes to hell.

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          #14
          Next trip is to Dublin, train to London, then Paris, rent a car there to south of France and Italy and back home from Paris.

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            #15
            Thought London was great.
            Next March we are booked for
            China. I might lose it sitting in a plane that long.
            Have a cousin that worked in
            Dubai. He never wants to go back.
            Billionaire s getting things built
            By African migrant workers making
            virtually nothing.
            Pay them nothing , if they get sick or old send them home.

            That would be Donald Trump s
            Kind of place

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              #16
              An excellent idea, I have no use for resorts and tourist destinations, I want to get out and get immersed in the culture and see the industry and agriculture and infrastructure, see how the real people live.

              That said, most of the cities you list all have one thing more or less in common, they are the wealth centers of corrupt resource based oligopolies, as such, all the money that is extracted from the hard working people in the remainder of the countries, ends up enriching these cities. Visiting those places would be like visiting disneyland and assuming that it is representative of all of the USA. If you really want to see how the rest of the world operates, skip the cities, and get out into the provincial towns, and rural areas.

              We have toured a lot of western Russia, and Moscow is a completely different world than the rest of the country. I should try to find some pictures to show the contrast.

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                #17
                Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post

                Visiting those places would be like visiting disneyland and assuming that it is representative of all of the USA.
                It isn't?? you'd better tell SF3 that as that's where he conducts his opinion polls on American politics and attitudes.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by AlbertaFarmer5 View Post
                  An excellent idea, I have no use for resorts and tourist destinations, I want to get out and get immersed in the culture and see the industry and agriculture and infrastructure, see how the real people live.

                  That said, most of the cities you list all have one thing more or less in common, they are the wealth centers of corrupt resource based oligopolies, as such, all the money that is extracted from the hard working people in the remainder of the countries, ends up enriching these cities. Visiting those places would be like visiting disneyland and assuming that it is representative of all of the USA. If you really want to see how the rest of the world operates, skip the cities, and get out into the provincial towns, and rural areas.

                  We have toured a lot of western Russia, and Moscow is a completely different world than the rest of the country. I should try to find some pictures to show the contrast.
                  Sounds a lot like the scenario laid out in the hunger games. People worry about Russia and fsu blowing us all outta the water but a real shortage of skilled human capitol could hamper this. Not to mention Putin out of the picture how would that be for stability?

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by grassfarmer View Post
                    It isn't?? you'd better tell SF3 that as that's where he conducts his opinion polls on American politics and attitudes.
                    LOL.

                    That's kind of why I listed those cities... seems like most people when on vacation head to resort towns (Mexico or Florida)...

                    You don't hear too many people going to Wichita Kansas on vacation, though I'd agree with some on here that it'd be more fun and interesting.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Klause View Post
                      LOL.

                      That's kind of why I listed those cities... seems like most people when on vacation head to resort towns (Mexico or Florida)...

                      You don't hear too many people going to Wichita Kansas on vacation, though I'd agree with some on here that it'd be more fun and interesting.
                      I'll choose Wichita Kansas over a beach resort any time.

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