Record cheap electricity is transforming world energy markets as Canada struggles to

[malleefarmer]

Mallee the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission said in the above article that "green schemes" were only responsible for 7% of the cost of electricity in Australia. The biggest cost they say is "lack of competition and substantial levels of vertical integration between generation and retailing".

It looks like your biggest problem is excess profit taking and bad planning.

They also mention all the instability caused by politics and changing plans.

Whats your take?

Bit of everything chuck as per the graph i put up we have most expensive power in the world in SA.
We have abundance of coal and uranium.
We have a abundance of sunshine.
We have abundance of wind surely somehow with combination of all we can get reliable cheaper power but doubt it.

[RWT101]

You really lead a sheltered life Chucky.
You need to go to the source to find out the REAL story on some of these things.

Here let me help you.

[URL="http://joannenova.com.au/"]http://joannenova.com.au/[/URL]

Her amusing writings will set you straight about what has really happened in Australia's green energy world.
And why Mallee's graph shows their outrageous electrical prices.

I really liked her story on the fact that the Aussy BOM (Bureau of Meteorology) installed new smart meters in their weather stations.
Sharp eyed weather people recently noticed that an actual low temp readings they saw themselves were not showing up in the official data sheets.
Turns out that these smart meters were apparently set to round temps up.

And the BOM has been using these meters for over 10 YEARS. Now that's man-made global warming.

Outraged people are demanding answers and an audit of the BOM but the crooked buggers have so far refused to do it.

Enjoy

[sumdumguy]

You really lead a sheltered life Chucky.
You need to go to the source to find out the REAL story on some of these things.

Here let me help you.

[URL="http://joannenova.com.au/"]http://joannenova.com.au/[/URL]

Her amusing writings will set you straight about what has really happened in Australia's green energy world.
And why Mallee's graph shows their outrageous electrical prices.

I really liked her story on the fact that the Aussy BOM (Bureau of Meteorology) installed new smart meters in their weather stations.
Sharp eyed weather people recently noticed that an actual low temp readings they saw themselves were not showing up in the official data sheets.
Turns out that these smart meters were apparently set to round temps up.

And the BOM has been using these meters for over 10 YEARS. Now that's man-made global warming.

Outraged people are demanding answers and an audit of the BOM but the crooked buggers have so far refused to do it.

Enjoy

That just backs up the fact that their, "global warming" is computer generated. These "scientists" should be lined up.

[burnt]

Really, 1.7 cents. It does not take a lot of number crunching to realize that no new, stand-alone electrical generation will be started up at that price, let alone be profitable. And as was mentioned, come with battery backup? Hmmm...

Also, where is the cost of back up supply included? For every KW of "renewable" energy, there must be 100% back up available. Or more batteries...

To try to say otherwise is merely more denial of easily available data, mathematics/facts.

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark.

[chuckChuck]

Bit of everything chuck as per the graph i put up we have most expensive power in the world in SA.
We have abundance of coal and uranium.
We have a abundance of sunshine.
We have abundance of wind surely somehow with combination of all we can get reliable cheaper power but doubt it.

Looks like your high prices have more to do with lack of competition and little to do with green power. I know most of the geniuses on this site will blame green power no matter what the facts are but the reality is green power is becoming a cheaper and better option. We will still need base loads from other sources but if battery technology improves and becomes cheaper, solar will become a much bigger source of generation.

[chuckChuck]

My take is this Chuck2 if solar and batteries are so cheap and transmission costs are what make my electricity so expensive why would it take $150000 to build a stand alone solar system with batteries so I could go off grid when I pay $3800 per year for power now?

Costs for panels are substantially higher in canada because of import tarrifs to protect Canadian manufacturers. You are also comparing utility sized installations with smaller installations so the costs per kw go up. Batteries are currently expensive and a much better option is grid tied where no batteries are needed.

[chuckChuck]

Really, 1.7 cents. It does not take a lot of number crunching to realize that no new, stand-alone electrical generation will be started up at that price, let alone be profitable. And as was mentioned, come with battery backup? Hmmm...

Also, where is the cost of back up supply included? For every KW of "renewable" energy, there must be 100% back up available. Or more batteries...

To try to say otherwise is merely more denial of easily available data, mathematics/facts.

Something is rotten in the State of Denmark.

So why are you making the assumption that 1.7 cents per kwh generation costs from solar is not profitable if it can be sold for say 10 cents? Are you opposed to finding cheaper sources of electricity generation? Are you opposed to profit? What's your point?

Backup is required and already exists. In Mexico with its sunny warm climate electricity usage peaks during the work day when typically the sun is shining. On cloudy days the existing system will have to put out more generation. Solar is one option for building new capacity at a low cost. There may be a limit to how much solar can be relied on, but if battery technology is improved then the sky may be the limit especially in developing countries.

[furrowtickler]

The people in power of real wealth are playing on the emotional weakness of their electorate . It’s our fault the climate is collapsing next year , the oceans are going to swallow up all coastal cities, the extreme weather hurricanes are going to wipe us all out blah , blah blah ..... to pay for what ? ??? They can’t get any more money out of the 2 billion people that have no money at all so let’s play a guilt trip on every one else and take all their wealth .... it’s a play to secure their future..... not yours . Those that are hard core on this climate change scam have been hypnotized completely.
It’s no different than those that fall into a cult belief for someone else’s benefit.

[sumdumguy]

The people in power of real wealth are playing on the emotional weakness of their electorate . It’s our fault the climate is collapsing next year , the oceans are going to swallow up all coastal cities, the extreme weather hurricanes are going to wipe us all out blah , blah blah ..... to pay for what ? ??? They can’t get any more money out of the 2 billion people that have no money at all so let’s play a guilt trip on every one else and take all their wealth .... it’s a play to secure their future..... not yours . Those that are hard core on this climate change scam have been hypnotized completely.
It’s no different than those that fall into a cult belief for someone else’s benefit.

Those that are naive are called naifs.

[Hamloc]

Costs for panels are substantially higher in canada because of import tarrifs to protect Canadian manufacturers. You are also comparing utility sized installations with smaller installations so the costs per kw go up. Batteries are currently expensive and a much better option is grid tied where no batteries are needed.

So, when you quote cheap prices for solar it can't happen here because of tariffs on solar panels to protect Canadian producers. So your consistent preaching of the price of solar coming down isn't going to happen in Canada. As for a grid tie yes it is much cheaper without batteries but roughly 65% of my electricity bill is transmission and administrative charges not power consumption.