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California let's worry about every other thing except infrastructure!

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  • SASKFARMER3
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2006
    • 14485

    #11
    No all the bleeding hearts might look better with a shovel in their hand talking instead of look and go to my movies buy my records and listen to my poor life

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    • agstar77
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2001
      • 6253

      #12
      Fix the dam or build a wall? Interesting priority.

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      • SASKFARMER3
        Senior Member
        • Feb 2006
        • 14485

        #13
        Ah let's look at California this isn't about trump.

        It's about a liberal voting public that thinks peace love and make belief work. Forget about building infrastructure and boom you have this.

        Stars will probably blame trump

        Oh wait agstar already is!

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        • bucket
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2008
          • 17033

          #14
          Agstar77

          I agree but I don't think the neglect fell under Trumps short watch....but I bet he's paying more attention to it than the previous administration.....he talked about repairing infrastructure during the campaign....

          Trudeau would tax it.

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          • blackjack
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2004
            • 798

            #15
            I would put this one on the terminator,Arnie

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            • agstar77
              Senior Member
              • Jul 2001
              • 6253

              #16
              The majority of dams in the U.S. are privately owned. Large dams are regulated and controlled by the Federal Government. So , yes it is Trumps problem now. He has said little about infrastructure since he was elected other than pipelines where he has a major investment.

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              • bucket
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2008
                • 17033

                #17
                I don't think he will ignore the commerce created by that dam. .......

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                • dmlfarmer
                  Senior Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 1814

                  #18
                  I disagree with many of the comments on here. First, northern California has not had "normal" rainfall as S3 claims. From Oct 1 (start of water year) until mid January rainfall has been 218% of normal. And a recent measurement in area of dam shows 292% of normal precipitation over just 4 months.

                  Second, I would like someone to back up the claim that the problem of the dam is structural rather than as a result of erosion of the amount of water that is having to be released to prevent overflow. The emergency spillway is operating for the first time ever, as it should with excessive water being contained. All reports I have read blame the dam problems on erosion due to the volume and speed of the water rather than say a crack in the dam.

                  Third, science tells us that climate change will cause more extreme weather events and more often. Is that not what this is. For to northern California to go from 6 years of drought to a year with 3 times normal rainfall sounds rather extreme.

                  To blame this on anyone other than nature is equivalent to blaming Saskatchewan farmers for the excessive rainfall they have experienced for the last 10 years or so.

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                  • bucket
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 17033

                    #19
                    The photos show the hole in the spillway.

                    The whole purpose of water agencies is to monitor the moisture. The lake itself was down quite a bit so they plenty of time to release excess flows long before it was sucharged a flow to rip the spillway apart.

                    There is a little bit of incompetence with this incident than to blame it on nature....

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                    • rockpile
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2000
                      • 879

                      #20
                      dml - thank-you. A fact checker and everything you said is correct. Agstar - the Oroville Damn was built and is owned by the California Department of Water Resources and 100% paid for with state money. blackjack - you could be onto something there. Problems have been detected since the early 2000's and repairs done including the 2013 undercut that caused the hole every seems to be talking. But no one ever understood what might happen if it got used under circumstances like these. The 2013 Bow River floods caught a whole lot of people off guard because that much water at once was deemed out of the realm of possibility.

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