Climate change , a neutral perspective

[Hamloc]

Grassfarmer,read this article morningmail.org>down-goes-the-hockey-stick. It details how Michael Mann lost a lawsuit against Tim Ball climatologist author of such books as The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science in the BC Supreme Court. His refusal to release his data caused the loss. The IPCC and the rest of the world's climate change proponents are basing their beliefs on faulty science like Michael Mann's faulty hockey stick theory.

Having said that, there is no doubt that humans pollute the earth. Look at the big islands of plastic refuse in the oceans. I believe there are many ways we need to clean up our act. But there are over a billion people in the world without reliable electricity, look at all the countries without proper sewage disposal, clean water and decent housing. We are going to piss away billions in Canada and really do nothing. I remember one thing always stuck with me from Sunday school, give a man a fish and feed him for a day, teach that man to fish and feed him for life. I think that enviro's truly consider man the enemy and as such aren't really interested in spending money where it would improve life's the most. Enjoy your Sunday and go Stampeders!

[checking]

Does CO2 give you a headache?

Answer: Only when the tank hits my head.

Substitute gasfarmer, or carbon copy for tank.

Very nice graph, furrowtickler.

[furrowtickler]

Very well said Hamloc

[grassfarmer]

Sorry Hamloc I don't follow you - what is the teachable moment re the fishing? Are you advocating that we teach the poorest in the third world to stop polluting it or that they should follow our example of wanton fossil fuel use?

[AlbertaFarmer5]

The biggest crime is how much good this money could've done Fighting real pollution End Third World problems. And how far behind the eight ball will be When we finally admit thatglobal cooling is thefar bigger threat and most probable outcome.

[Hamloc]

Grassfarmer, I think foreign aid could be targeted at education. I think lack of educational infrastructure certainly holds third world countries back. One other thought instead of shutting down already built electrical generation plants in North America and Europe and replacing them with solar panels and windmills. Why not put this infrastructure in countries that have no electricity. Wouldn't that be a bigger benefit? Then train tradesman to install and maintain them.

[grassfarmer]

OK Hamloc I follow you now. Agree with the education thing to an extent. We can't expect them to carry the load on reducing global emissions though given that we are the rich and the biggest polluters per capita (first world - Canada and US in particular).

[tmyrfield]

for all you guys spouting off peer
review and scientific consensus read this.
http://www.thegwpf.com/why-fake-data-when-you-can-fake-a-scientist/

[Hamloc]

You missed the point Grassfarmer. 1 billion people with no access to electricity. If you are truly worried about waste why close down existing infrastructure and replace it. Put the solar panels and windmills where there is no electrical generation infrastructure, very simple.

[grassfarmer]

You missed the point Grassfarmer. 1 billion people with no access to electricity. If you are truly worried about waste why close down existing infrastructure and replace it. Put the solar panels and windmills where there is no electrical generation infrastructure, very simple.

Not sure that addresses the problems though - it doesn't address the emissions the developed world causes and is electricity really the saviour of the people who don't have it? Many of them don't have houses, food or water so electricity likely isn't first on their wish list.