We don't need no stinking aid.

[freewheat]

What, you think we do??? lol.

But the 6000 acre guys, definitely DO need aid. That would fly. Like a ten lb hammer.

[riders2010]

Ummm your crops are good right!!!

[riders2010]

There s more to your story than you tell us. Because if you lost crop like you say you did no way you re in good shape unless heavy outside income or something else going on.
I m not 6000 acres and no new machinery. We actually have had several years of loss.

[foragefarmer]

Freewheat

Why the second thread? There's one going strong with 88 posts. Let ride on that, as there is no need to derail that tread.

[freewheat]

This thread is about not needing aid, but whatever! lol Cheer up.

No off farm income here. No inheritted fortune. No cosigning to start, free labor, etc.

Just living cheap, using 30 000 dollar combine, 20 000 dollar seeder. Don't have a skdoo or a quad. No auger mover, no gps. You learn to live with what you have and be content. Never bought land for more than 550 an acre. P
Never paid more than 35 rent.

I am by no means in very great shape, I thought I have made that clear. I just simply try to roll with the punches. Live within my means. Diversify into what works. Trying new crops, new ventures, selling lamb direct. Spraying fungi, not when my neighbors do, but WHEN IT IS NEEDED!

Of anyone on here, I honestly think I could be helped the most with some form of bailout. But I do not believe in them. I will make my own way, thank you very much. I think everyone should make their own way.

[riders2010]

No there s more to it. With today's cost and I don't want to sound disrespectful. But either a guy lives in the bush living off the land or there s more to it.
How much does your utilities cost alone.

But since you don't believe in subsidy you send all your crop insurance payments back and I ll take you seriously. Speaking if which if you have that good coverage you sometimes talk about what years did you loose crop. The two just don't jive. I highly doubt lamb is gonna pay many jugs if spray or canola seed unless you have thousands of them.

[blackpowder]

I would *** hate to write acheck for one pail of chem without gps!!!

[farming101]

Save up for an auger mover too.

[freewheat]

Well, I do kind of live in the bush, and in the 1950's too. We have hens running around, raise almost all our own food, sell eggs etc. My wife simply will not buy a single thing unless it is on sale. We do repairs, home renos, everything on our own. I can not remember the last time I had services rendered on our farm, because we do it all. If we haven't done it, we learn how. And we are growing into the lamb business. At 300 bucks a lamb, there is good money there. That would be like getting 2100 for a fall calf. Then take into account ewes almost always twin.

Regarding crop insurance coverage: I had some excellent years when others were dried out, so my yields built well, and my experience discount maxed out. And in the worst of the wet years, when you can not seed, your yield is not zero, so I avoided a big crash on my yields.

I am not sure if you want my income tax from the last few years?? lol

We skrimp, we are frugal, we are cheap. Necessity made us that way... I dunno what you don't get. Most can not live these days on the dollar number we live on in a year. It is a matter of choice, and necessity.

[freewheat]

I get my land custom sprayed, I forgot that part. That is the one thing I do get done professionally. So gps on the herb.

My sprayer guy has asked me in consecutive years what I am running for gps, because I seed that straight. No joke. And with 35 feet of drill, it is pretty easy to stay straight. I will get gps... When I can afford it.

An auger mover? Nah, don't need.

[hobbyfrmr]

Pencil in an auger mover in your plans. Buy it on sale or whatever. That nearly put me out of farming. Just moving an auger, i put out my back so bad I ended up with an ambulance ride to the hospital, shots of morphine and muscle relaxers. I also spent the following three days at home with a walker!
Get an auger mover.

[freewheat]

Thanks for the tip. It is simply so far down on my list right now. Gotta save money somehow...

[cuban_assassin]

Yes we do!! If not for the farmers, do it for all those who derive an income from providing products or services to farmers. If farmers have money they spend it and the overall economy benefits. Forget about why the farmers who over extended themselves don't deserve it and look at it from a broader perspective. If there is not cash injected farmers can't spend what they don't have which leads to layoffs throughout the industry. All those who benefit from what we do will begin to hurt as well, think of it as an investment into the provincial economy!

[freewheat]

Cuban fellow, I get your point, I really do. I just disagree. But I started this thread, because yours is soon to be lost off the page, hence less interest. It is a dynamic topic all right.

[BreadWinner]

Cuban , I take it your a capitalist from your handle but yet you want and demand a socialist approach to the drought dilemma. Do you not carry crop insurance? If not why not? Do you think you need a payout allready even though harvest is months away? The crop is far from a write off yet, even though it looks bad in some areas. We pay lots for insurance so why should you get a handout for poor management?

I hear the argument all the time that people put money aside instead of going in crop insurance. Truth is people spend that money on other things and when disaster strikes they go demanding a handout.