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    #11
    I suspect you have answered your own question in other threads.

    Apologise for the curling (am back at it for the winter) but there are lots of times you position rocks to be use later on.

    Basis levels (after you have included the late signup adjustment factor) have varied from $2 under for hard red spring wheat (mid Oct.) to $30 under (first release PRO/FPC). A farmer easily could have added on $15 to $20/tonne by paying attention to FPC basis. That is $700 on "B" train - maybe small change to a farmer but my experience is that most successful farmers find an extra $700 everywhere they can.

    I note that if you haven't signed a flexpro contract, your only opportunity to hold an outside the pooling full payment alternative open is a basis contract. You have no choice. This is the reason close to 90 % of farmers who signed fpc in 2007/08 priced under $7/bu (see the CWB year end presentation).

    The issue raised initially by dfarms11 was what is a good basis. You notice that I ducked this one because after 8 years of watching these programs, I don't know what a good CWB basis is - particularly on CWRS/CWHW/CWES. Maybe you can help him.

    You might also comment on the flexpro. The flexpro to date has been the fixed price contract with the late payment adjustment factor - not a good thing is a falling market/positive adjustment and by any measure a poor replacement for the daily price contract which reflected US prices - the reason the program was the inability for the CWB to manage risk. If I were someone who signed one of these contracts (200,000 tonnes volume in total ), I would feel like I had been violated in a very personal way (others will have different terminology). What cash payment/relationship with futures or the PRO can farmers who signed a flexpro contract (perhaps on my advice? In a non competitive/beauracraticly established value, how can a farmer know if this is fair price?

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      #12
      last paragraph - flexpro is a fixed price contract WITHOUT THE LATE PAYMENT ADJUSTMENT FACTOR.

      I also note my comments on the the CWB inability to put out mid month PRO for wheat. I get real crabby every month when I see the mid barley PRO published for political reasons and nothing on wheat in the current fast moving market when there are good market signal reason (i.e. a strong business case). As I have said in the past, the CWB needs to change programs in the current environment - particularly in the case of EPO contracts.

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        #13
        dfarms11

        To put in a plug for the CWB (not always nasty), you might want to talk to one of the CWB farm business representatives about some training opportunities they are likely to have over the winter. They have developed a piece of software that demonstrates how the different producer payment options work and can be applied to an individual farm business situation.

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          #14
          The flexpro might look pretty good next spring in a rising market...a one day futures move could be as much as the entire basis...then get the blackberry curve out and push the button

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            #15
            Might is a big word. Flex Pro SWSW wheat is in my location 3.8 dollars per bushel net to producer is not an incentive to price when 1.2 dollars under local feed mill. Timm are you locked in flex pro?

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              #16
              Basis is a little on the weak side, but downside risk on the Pro is huge.

              Unfortunatly the Fixed Price Looked much better earlier on, and starting in March would have been a good strategy. Locking in now on just before the deadline and after the CWB has widely discounted the EPO's and FPC contracts. I would lean towards the pool worst case Senerio you end up close to the same anyway but at least there may be some upside potential.

              Prevoius comments have mentioned using a Basis only. That may work our for you. You can roll this just like Canola and hold your position forever if you want, as some point you may have to manage through your own futures account. For a new user of the program though I would keep you tonnage modest, until you feel comfortable with the mechanics.

              We just did a little Fixed Price on Durum, price is significantly lower than pool, but to spread the risk a little we did 20%.

              Just one mans opinion.

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                #17
                Yes I did some flexpro.already priced at 8 $net on some

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