Wink, Wink, nod Nod... The CWB's Heather Frayne

[craig]

I have a problem with some of the comments re Gord Flaten. It is suggested that we are in a rising wheat market. I would suggest that premium values were available early in the crop year and that wheat prices have trended flat for some time. The board states what values it is receiving for wheat delivered Ontario but if PRO's reflect average prices over time then the CWB has obviously made a lot of sales at values considerably lower than Ontario prices received by the farmer. The comments imply that an Ontario producer is receiving less for his grain than someone in the designated area. This is simply not true. The reality is to ask an Ontario producer if he feels he is better off today in an open market than when he was under a single desk. Producers are not stupid. They know there bottom line and make marketing decisions accordingly. If you are happy with the price you receive and it makes you a profit you are receiving value from the market place. Don't imply that by selling at these values you are missing opportunity. Anyone who follows the market understands that under the single desk this crop year we have given up huge opportunites for better values in both wheat and barley.

[GrainBeetle]

Hey fransico: You seem to be a defender of free speech and freedom of rights. We gained these freedoms as a nation fighting in WW1 WW2. Is the CWB fight at the same level of importance that you seem to make it out to be?

How many C.O.'s in you family's past? I hear many in the region didnt fight the wars, but stayed home and bought all the farm land from underneath the fighting soldiers families?

[Fransisco]

Bennyhin said, "The problem is you will have Cherry Pickers trying to do the same thing, selling non-organics at the higher spot cash price. (Perhaps FRISCO can elaborate on this from experience)?"

You don't have to worry about me jumping in and out of your precious pool Benny. Give me the option and I'm out, you want it in writing, no problem. There are many ways to capture an average price if that's what gets your motor running, but you don't need my grain to do it, you never did.

Bennyhin said, " I like the marketing choice the CWB provides me on top of non-boards, further diversifying my marketing portfolio"

Good for you for liking it, some people like brussel sprouts, but stop kidding yourself and everyone else that it is a choice. It is not a choice, you have no say in the matter.


Grainbeetle, not that it's any of your business and has nothing to do with the argument, but my family emigrated to Canada from Europe after World War Two with little more than the clothes on their backs.

Yes, the CWB is a problem, but no, it is not even in the same category as the Nazi's. What kind of a stupid question is that?

Yes farmers who sell their own wheat go to jail, but no those jails are not forced labour camps with gas chambers and ovens on the side.

What's the next kooky irrelevant question? Do I like Coke better than Pepsi?

[TOM4CWB]

GrainBattle

My better halfs family had Officers who returned and as Veterans were GIVEN farm land by the gov.

It is a sure thing this is a religious battle... built on Coveting, Jelousy, Envy, and Arrogance that anyone should have the right to take a neighbours property. This has nothing to do with cooperation... it is confiscation.

Grade for grade... intrinsic quality considered between Canada Eastern Red Spring, and CWRS, CWB Minister Strahl is close enough to the bulls eye... that the CWB should not be beefing.

This is the real reason for this charade... not at all as represented by the CWB herein.

The CWB is getting Fair Market Value, for quality, inventory control, risk management, and all the other considerations that are part of CWB sales packages to millers. If these eastern millers could get wheat from elsewhere... for less... they would... and at times do even if it costs them extra!

It gets tiring fighting with a steer with a bull's bad habits.

[parsley]

BennyHinn,

1. One shouldn't be an organic farmer if you are not prepared to maintain Identity Preserved records, because an audit trail is mandatory, and by presuming I hate faxing, it shows your unsurprising lack of understanding of IP.

2. You are fully accusing IP certification as faulty and leaky because you do not understand what IP certification entails.

The IP template is quickly being adopted, no embraced, by many sectors of agriculture, and a great deal of time and money is spent on being able to trace a product on the plate to the farmgate.

IP newcomers such as Cattle, trait specific products, etc. will continue to adapt, and each member of the IP chain will only be as valuable as his credibility trail.

If you are accusing certification programs, national or private, as being leaky or trying to impersonate, or being downright dishonest, I would suggest that you be prepared to prove your allegations or you should retract your statement.

Coming from a producer who is content to dump his year's work in the stronghold of some ship headed for a Third-worlder doesn't lend you any credibility with those couting an entirely different market.

4. You have indicated time and time again, you want to continue what you are doing, and I say go at it, but others are targeting what wealthy consumers want. Producers target different customers.

5.The CWB has lists and lists and lists over years and years and years and years of busy work...compilation and revisions of all the organic certification bodies, and is easily able to call that organization to see if Fransisco or craig is a certified member.

If he is, the amount of grain being exported must reconcile with the audit sheet that every organic farmer has to commit to.

6. There is an entire well-paid CWB organic department on red-alert currently sporting a $0.00 sales record, with nothing else to do except call the certification bodies to beg the agencies' update information on new members, so the CWB can update as well.

7. The CWB could easily grant the license to the organic farmer on the list or deny the export license to craig because he is not on the list.

It's that simple. No giggly-assed organic department to pay for. Just a CWB licensing staffer calling a cerification body to check if the licensing applicant is on the list.

The reason this does not happen is why? There is a non-productive department sitting ready to do what? Send out anti-Strahl material?

8. Whether it is an organic farmer, or a conventional farmer, or goat farmer, or a pincherry farmer, I will continue to support the undeniably essential under-written principle that must be inherent in farming....farmers must be able to sell what they grow.

Parsley

PS
Picking out who you want to partner with in marriage,in fun, or in business is not necessarily determined by what religion you are or what company you work for or what label beer you drink. What draws people together? It's hard to put a finger on.

I asked you the question if you were ok with your money being spent sending letters to the editor. You deliberately chose not to answer. Instead you attacked the credibility of the audit of IP systems.

That exhibits, best, exactly what I do not want in a business partner, BennyHinn.


Parsley

[HFL]

I never was very good at math so correct me if I am wrong. If they are selling wheat now for $ 6.95 per bushel and the average price ( PRO ) is $ 4.40 per bushel that would mean that they sold a equal number of bushels at $ 1.85 per bushel. Perhaps to Algeria?

[parsley]

Correct me if I"m wrong, as I'n not very good at exporting, but don't the Algerian sales go through an Accredited Exporter?

[winwin]

Benny hinn says"eventually you guys will win".Interesting.He already knows he's lost.Just fighting for the glorious cause.Guess what.The last year or 2 of most wars are the bloodiest.

Sad though.The left knows they are selling a product nobody wants any more.They also know in their hearts,asMaggie Thatcher said"our ideas are better than theirs"but they fight on with religious zeal.

If we're gonna change anyway,why not do it right now and stop losing opportunity?

[BennyHin]

Parsley: I never discounted the integrity of the organic certification regulations. What I said is that people like Fransisco will always find a way to cheat the system, at your expense.

Fransisco: So what is it Coke or Pepsi? I was thinking you were a Red Bull fan.

[Fransisco]

Care to elaborate benny? Or is innuendo just another one of your dull knives? You must have picked it up at the Heather Frayne school for gifted communicators. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink.

The only cheating I see is coming from the monopolists who are doing everything in their collective power to make sure their neighbors can't make an honest buck by making an honest deal with an honest buyer.

It's to bad they can't even be true to themselves. Like winwin says 'its a board fetish'. If the board says a little more freedom its good, if the board say no more freedom that's good as well. Whatever the board says goes.

You claim to like 'mixing it up' when it comes to the so-called CWB marketing options but you want to deny your neighbors their right to mix it up in the manner that they see working best on their farms.

Somehow you see yourself gaining from the current system even though your neighbors are telling you that they are losing. So then your gain, whatever that may be, is coming at their expense and they have absolutely no choice in the matter.

There is a name for this kind of an arangement, and it's not buisness.