US PRICES FOR DURUM AND HRS

[Fransisco]

Further to Adam's comment, tower you once said that a big problem in your eyes is the number of changes that have been made to try and appease those of us who are not interested in being in the CWB tent. That will not change until you let us out of the tent.

We are not interested in being appeased, we simply want out. The status quo will not change our mind and neither will a bigger stick.

Your chances of running a successful business are a lot greater when you work with like minded individuals who want to work with you. Tieing differently minded people, who don't want to work with you to the CWB mast will not make the ship sail any better. The opposite is true, you start to take on water.

[agstar77]

Chaff you don't get it . How do you expect the individual farmer to get cars to ship grain without going through a third party, considering the way the railways drag their feet and ignore or interpret rulings to satisfy themselves. Until we see open running rights nothing will change.

[chaffmeister]

agstar - you don't get it. What's any of that got to do with the CWB?

You're saying that with the way it is right now you just about have to ship/sell to Viterra. And without the CWB, I guess you're saying you'll still have to ship/sell to Viterra.

Where is this great countervailing power the CWB is supposed to have over the nasty grain trade?

At least with freedom to go wherever with your grain, you're not shackled to the CWB/Viterra machines.

[silverback]

Ah, the old shell game again.

Those big mean railways are the problem right now, they are the reason we can't pay world values for your grain. We have to fight them tooth and nail. Then we will take on the multinationals. Don't ask us why your pro's will never match world values it's not our fault.

Keep grasping redstar.

[parsley]

agstar logic........

Railways are problematic working with the CWB.

Therefore

Railways will not be problematic working with 'more of the same' CWB.


That is logic from dumber than dumber.How many times did you repeat Grade three, agstar?

Parsley

[agstar77]

Not as many as you repeated kidergarden.

[ag.student]

multiple buyers should bring more competition and therefore better prices. my concern with that theory is that those same buyers are competing on the other end of the chain. what happens when they compete against each other for wheat sales and then base their elevator bids on those sales? prices will settle at some market equilibrium. The $60000 question is whether or not it's still better than CWB. Competing for grain handle should cause some cuts to elevation, handling costs, etc. Any comments?

[parsley]

agstudent

You ask

"what happens when they compete against each other for wheat sales "

The CWB does it all the time right in Canada!. They compete against Ontario all the time. We don't have a single in our own country.

Parsley

[parsley]

agstar,


Think about your answer, and answer yourself why it is a poor answer.

You will eventually figure it out.

Give yourself two full days, and if you haven't figured it out, email me and I'll tell you.

Parsley

[Fransisco]

Agstudent says, "what happens when they compete against each other for wheat sales and then base their elevator bids on those sales?"

If they make a sale without actually having secured the grain first or at the same time I would think that they would take an offsetting position on the futures market so that they are protected against any price movement until they secure said grain.

At the end of the day it is supply and demand that determine price. It's not determined any more by what price a grain company sold the grain for than it is by what it cost a farmer to produce it.

A company that tries to undersell the market by too much soon finds itself with no product to sell.

Good question.