Chuck -- the do nothing gag minister

[jensend]

i'm not indignant; i'm just not impressed. the other point to be made is that if burbert farms only a fractioon of what you do it doesn't necessarily make you more intelligent or more correct. it means you have more at stake but perhaps you're wrong. i think the cwb has to go. i just don't think it will make a darned bit of difference to the welfare of canadian grain farmers. i also don't think western canadian farmers mean any more to harper than they did to the libs but at least the libs didn't hide their disdain.

[AdamSmith]

"...if burbert farms only a fractioon of what you do it doesn't necessarily make you more intelligent or more correct. it means you have more at stake but perhaps you're wrong."

My opinion of burbert is based solely on his postings, the fact that he farms 400 acres and is/was nearly broke (his words) only enlightens us all as to where he is coming from(thought wise). He has, like all cwb supporters, never once offfered us any sound and factual evidence to support his opinion that the cwb has value for farmers, to any farmer, be it 40 acres, 400 acres or 4000 acres. His postings are nothing more than rants which seem to be grounded in fear and insecurity.

And yes I have posted my fair share of rants on this site, but at least I try to offer the alternative solution to what I may see as a problem. I use sarcasim when I believe it serves a purpose but I don't rely on it solely nor do I rant on and on as if there is no solution to the issue.
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"...i think the cwb has to go. i just don't think it will make a darned bit of difference to the welfare of canadian grain farmers."

I do believe it will have a huge benifit for the welfare of farmers.

an extra $60 - $100 per acre of net revenue will have a huge positive impact on farms.

This extra revenue will be generated many ways, from the simple fact that all wheat and barley will trade for higher prices upwars of a $1 to a $1.50 per bushel more. The aborted free market in barley has shown us that. Barley will be worth more, Winter wheat will be worth more, all wheat will be worth more.

Canola basis levels will improve especially post harvest, because farmers will no longer be forced to sell so much canola after harvest in order to generate needed cash flow.

Variety development will catch up to the rest of the world because we will no longer be stuck with a outdated and illconcieved KVD grading system. This will will increase production and in this ethenol driven world we are now entering will add great value.

The systems costs will be reduced which will add value to farmers. Read any of the many postings chaffmeister has made on this subject to get a better understanding of the high costs
that are forced on farmers by the single desk system.

More business will get done and done quicker thus putting money and wealth into the hands of farmers quicker, thus reducing the annual interest costs to banks and lending institutions bore by farmers.

Once existing farmers start seeing these real improvements in our businesses and our industry in general, a healthier attitude and brighter outlook will start to take shape thus making the idea of grain farming more appealing to that next generation of farmers. So maybe, just maybe they will choose the dusty haze of a evening harvesting instead of the big lights of the city.

So, if your not impressed with how I responded to burbert, fine. But I and many others are not impressed and dare I say frustrated with the people who seem determined to squelch any optimisim that may emerge within this industry. It's as if they're afraid of success.

[agstar77]

A.S. I think you just went on a rant. Why is it a rant? Because you have no proof we would be better off without the CWB. We would be in the same position as the Americans but without their government subsidies. Yes it is strange that their system is so good that they need all those subsidies.

[jensend]

i think when the cwb goes it will mean more revenue to canadian grain farmers but no difference in the bottom line. agstar made the point perfectly: you'll be an american farmer without the same level of government support. you'll still have the imbalance in the markets between buyers and sellers for both inputs and production.

[AdamSmith]

"...Because you have no proof we would be better off without the CWB."

Agstar, try listening to other farmers, just once. Maybe pull out your calculator once and cruch some numbers. Try reading lots and from many sources, the internet is a wonderful tool for accessing information. Ask questions and listen to the answers for a change.

We've had posters from England (Ianben) and Australia (Malleefarmer) all report the huge prices that feed wheat and barley are fetching farmers in those countries. The American system is open and transparent with respect to prices and levels of trade and basis levels.

All show cwb prices as being dismal. Not good enough for you, well it is for me, I'll take that type of real world evidence any day as proof, you stick with U of S studies if you wish but they won't change anything that isn't really happening, now will they?

Agstar tell which kvd cwb approved variety of wheat offers fusarium resistance, and leaf and stem rust resistance? ND has a few of them but I guess that's no proof because the information hasn't been vetted through Richard Grey.

What about the Quarum Groups evidence on costs????? The cat has gotten your tounge on that one many times before, want to give it try now??? I thought not!


So just once I would appreciate all your evidence to the contrary, it would be so helpful. Again I thought not!


Your simple statement of proof not being any proof at all is all we have ever seen from you guys at the cwb, Agstar, and that may work at the traveling cwb revivals, but it has never cut it here on Agri-ville and it doesn't seem to be cutting it out in the wheat and barley fields either.

[Fransisco]

American farmers make more money than us on their wheat way before the subsidies even start to kick in.

Price comparison after price comparison with the CWB shows this.

So yes agstar bring it on, I am very much in favour of it.