Intellectual Property Laws

[sawfly]

grey beard like the bleeding edge term.
never heard that before.

farmaholic
it is david and Goliath,

it is kind of like consumer protection we need and are not getting it from this gov.

there may be lots of us , but we are individuality powerless.

call me a socialist , lefty , whatever. but gov.s should have public interest at heart.
not just corporate interest.

eg. paying every year forever for a fungus or blight resistance, to a private corp.

VS

have a public breeder do it
with a one time cost.

i just do not get the logic.
of handing the whole business to the private sector.

[bucket]

Tweety

This year is an excellent example of how the best genetics mean shit if it foesnt rain.

Where is the drought tolerant canola that yields 55 bpa to meet the canola councils goals?

Oops they forgot about that gene of drought resistance because more than likely those that are supplying the seed also have a hand in selling fungicides. Think on that a bit. Drought probably means less use of fungicide. Don't want that.

Or how about a better durum that you can spray out volunteer cereals like wheat. To me a round up ready durum makes some sense from a purity point of view. Not enough durum to make it worthwhile.

Perennial wheat using genes from crested wheat. Oops another tin foil idea.

Vision? Maybe from a farmers interest.

[TOM4CWB]

Bucket,

If the genetics are so off... what do you project the drought short western (worse than the worst of dirty 30's) Canada will produce? Half of normal... 3/4 of normal yields? We will beat 14mmt of Canola in 2015 harvest?

What is your prediction?

Lets see just how 'bad' the Canola genetics are!

You are WAY off base Bucket... new Canola/Wheat/Pea varieties are way more productive!!!

Cheers!

[GOODRUM]

Productive for who?
Minimal yield improvement comes from plant breeding or higher fertility and farming practices.
As I said before, were the ones being farmed and yes we are more productive , producing way more in terms of wealth for the other end of the food chain.
The economic spinoff from grain farming has increased incredibly in my lifetime, yet I am working with more borrowed money than ever before just to fund the rest of the industry.
The turnover of money is incredible , to keep pace with the advancements in the industry.
Look at the big picture, operating loans are relatively new, as are cash advances and forward pricing and delivery contracts.
Every farmer is eligible for a $400k advance!!!
Does this seem right?? If the direction were pointed is profitable for us the need for this program wouldn't exist.
$400 k used to be enough to retire on . Now it and more is required to fund one growing season.
Talk about an addiction!! Wow!
Sure I can grow a canola crop my grampa would be amazed at but I know he was not borrowing from the next generation to do it.
All our leaders need to be scrutinized more, our innovative plant breeders to our political leaders are all a bunch of lemmings , watch out who your putting your trust in, mite not be the direction you want to be going.
Firearms registry is abolished to win elections but upov91 is snuck in without any resistance,
Priorities I guess.

[bucket]

Tom

When are you and your secan members going to the trough?

Seems odd that the AWC and canterra/limagrain partner up for some trough funding and you secan members are left off.

Better hurry and partner with someone to get some private taxpayer funding.

Canola crop is currently below 11 mmt for thus year.

Canada is looking at a small crop compared to the inputs put in to grow a crop. We should be looking at crop close to 2013.

If you did the math of farming practice compared to 1988 this is a colossal wreck.

[wmoebis]

Just an observation:
Is it only the seed growers and seed companies that are infaver of UPOV91. I have talked to lots of farmers and city people and not one think it is a good idea.

[bucket]

Wmoebis

Ask yourself this.

What will be the most sought after input for the farm next year?

Fertilizer that didn't get used?

Or


Seed that is no longer there?

[tweety]

Yes good rum the problem has been identified. But is that all u have to offer ?

50 posts of restating the problem

0 posts of solution.

[bucket]

Tweety

Is asking for a perennial wheat not a solution. Because it would sure work for me. Let's say it was good for 5 years and all i had to do is add timely fertilizer applications? Think of that for efficiency.

Winter canola would be an interesting concept.

Round up ready or liberty or Clearfield durum would be a nice addition for quality and purity to our customers.

What are the solutions you are looking for?

Funding of these r&d organizations? They are still getting money from the government under the disguise of being better investments for farmers. Haven't seen it yet.

The better crops are coming from changing farming practices more so than better varieties.

Watch the production of this crop and correlate it to 1988 or 2002. Then ask yourself if any roi has been made for farmers check off dollars.

[farmaholic]

There is plenty of space here for your solutions tweety, if no one is offering what your looking for, contribute your solutions. I will read intently.

[GOODRUM]

Tweety
Stop upov91 for starters that's the most immediate threat.
Stop listening to people like yourself who defend these things.
I guess what's obvious to me isn't to everyone.
How can you agree there is problems and think upov91 is going to solve them.
It's shit like this that ARE the problem by protecting big business at our expense.
How in the hell is this going to benefit us?

[mustardman]

Upov 91 has passed
So where were you guys in the last 3 years?
Did you phone, write ,email your con mp?
Did you join the NFU to help fight this bill ?
(0nly FARM group against it)

Or did you just sit back and think that the conservatives Always look after Property owners.?
Turns out they look after intellectual property owners and Big Corporate interests WAY more than you peasants down on the farm

[bucket]

Mustard

Yup duped again.

You elect people to care of your interests and for some reason they don't.

Mulcair 2015. No sarcasm I am serious.

Conservatives are and have been taking advantage of my vote far too long.

[tweety]

Goodrum, perhaps you're missing the small detail that UPOV91 has nothing to do with any of this.

Any seed company - including Tom4 - can enter into a contractual agreement with you defining the terms of your rights and limitations with regards to the progeny of the seed you are buying.

How do i know? Because even with UPOV78 you have zero rights and full limitation other then just selling the production of every bag of RR and Liberty canola today and everyday into the future - IF and its a big IF - you buy it and want to grow it.

How in any way will UPOV 91 make that situation any better or any worse? Just like 20 years ago, today with UPOV 91 you have no rights whatsoever. None. Zero.

UPOV 91 and the arguing about it is an absolute smokescreen that takes the attention away from contracting, and your willingness to wanting access to technology owned by any particular company.

So Goodrum, how in any way would getting rid of UPOV 91, shit, get rid of UPOV 78 too, help you in any way whatsoever? You will still have to sign a contract detailing all rights and limitations.

[bucket]

Tweety

I really shouldn't have got into this debate/thread.

I really don't know wtf is going on.

My only real beef is that the conservatives have proven to be incompetent implementing anything good for a common peasant like myself.

I buy new seeds but ultimately it has nothing to do with genetics. More to do with timely rains.

Just try growing a crop with 3 tenths of rain since may 1.

Only one major ingredient missing and no amount of R&D will can or will change the weather.

If I was told on may 1 that I wouldn't see moisture until into late July. The farm would have even chemfallowed this year. My expenses would be about a tenth of what I have spent. And the fields would be clean since in the bare spots now there is still nothing growing. Which on most fields is about 50 percent and what's left is shit about 9 inches high.