Seed company liability limitations

[rhoff]

WD9. You can't compare buying wheat seed to
canola seed. If I pay 45$ an acre for my wheat
seed then yes I would be expecting a different
level of service. I think farmers are totally justified
in being angry over the performance of L150. If
you charge that high of price for a product then
you better deliver performance and L150 hasn't.
Some guys pay more for the seed than to rent the
land their growing it on,which is fine if the seed
performs according to the price. Myself personally
if L150 was the same price as 5440 I would likely
be a little more understanding.

[wd9]

All the trials i, and many others have
done seem to show that L150 isn't crap.

My last years plot had L150, 45h29,
7345, etc and they all yielded within a
bushel or two from each other. 45 was
best at 62 bu.

So how do you know? We are gonna have to
wait for yield data from plots to see
how things shake out but i am quite sure
they will be quite close again.

This year there is 150, 130, 1990, 6060,
7444, 7345, 7265, VT500 and others in a
plot and after swathing they are all too
close to tell the winner.

It's a complex issue, guarantees and
expectations are a tough thing to
determine. No guarantee comes with seed,
and when you look at yield data from a
plot with strong protocol, the claims
are true.

Does anyone in Agriville have a company
plot harvested with the varieties
mentioned? What were the results?

[rhoff]

It isn't crap for 5.00$/lb.
But for 10.00$/lb.- its crap.

[wd9]

Then don't buy it. But it will be the
first one sold out. It makes NO sense.

[hobbyfrmr]

Partners,
Around here nobody really had much
expectations for wheat. They grew lots of wheat
as a rotational crop to get a few bucks untill they
could grow canola again. canola was/is the big
cash crop.
The best wheat money was the high yielding soft
white utility wheat for ethanol. Hard red spring
milling wheat kept a person handcuffed to the
CWB. The BTO''s need cash flow and
reasonable delivery timelines when they grow big
volumes. Canola is a very important source of
profit. Half a canola crop is unacceptable in this
area when considering investment cost of
production. Agri stability and crop insurance will
smooth over another crazy production year. If not,
some guys will have to hit the brakes!

[rhoff]

WD9 do you work for Bayer or something?They
over promised and under delivered and then took
away a good product(5440),all the while charging
us more. And you seem to take offense to
someone (customer) feeling ripped off.

[nicolaas]

I think wd9 works for a seed company, or is in the council. saying it is not the councils job to help out farmers is nuts. What is the check off for?? Now I am supposed to do seed trials?? I am way to lazy I am afraid, and I lack the time and brainpower (lol). They bring in lots of money. Get their heads out of bayers/ monsantos ass and lobby for the farmers. That is their job. Unfortunately a lot of these young self made guys are sent down to the states on junkets by the companies, or are taken out to dinner a few times, get so impressed that they lose all common sense. They endup forgetting in who's interest they are working for! Maybe we are at the max that the canola genetics can reach... if thats the case why does the price keep going up?

[wd9]

Enough people on here, know who i am. I
am not a seed grower, used to be on ACPC
like 6 years ago. Not on any boards or
any affiliation with any seed companies.

I farm.

5440 is a good example. Was a great
canola but L150 is presumably better
according to Bayer. That's their
problem, not mine.

My original question was simply where
does the responsibility and liability
end of a seed company. Can be any grain.
There are no guarantees with any variety
whatsoever. All it has to do is meet the
criteria of DUS and germ. The rest is
marketing and hype.

Flip side, farmers buy the newest and
most expensive varietes as they are sold
out first. Now the farmer has in his
head this seed is the best and i'm
guaranteed to get the best crop and the
best yield. If they don't they want to
be comped bags.

Can you really not see the problem here?

[wd9]

rhoff, what are you gonna do about it?
Whine on Agriville? Sue Bayer? Get them
for false advertising?

Probably you'll buy L130.

[nicolaas]

understood, and point taken. I'm just bitching because the costs keep going up, performance stagnates. seed, fertilizer, equipment.... same thing. It use to be that if a farmer had 100 bucks, someone would take 99. Now if a farmer has 1000, someone will take 999 dollars. The scale is just getting larger and one has to put out more money everyear to put in a crop. everyone has bad years, and people have to realize that chasing the "promised" canola yields from the test plots only materialize when most things line up, and a couple of bad years will mean bankruptcy for a few extended farmers.
THis has been a wakeup call for some and I think you will start to see more rational crop rotations going forward, plus a lot more OP varities grown. Then again it will only take one good year to get everyone feeling invincible again!!!!!!