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Goodale Commentary – You Can’t Manage What You Won’t Measure

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  • notaredneck
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 110

    #31
    don't worry dec****, you'd be the last guy i'd call for that. I'd rather burn all my grain than deal with a scamer like you.

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    • jdepape
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 706

      #32
      Notaredneck -

      Now imagine how you'd feel if my marketing
      program was mandatory - like you had no choice -
      you had to market your grain through me.

      That's how a lot of your friends and neighbours
      have felt all their life.

      Now honestly, aren't you glad that you have the
      freedom to choose?

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      • sumdumguy
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 12014

        #33
        Great retort John. To think of what we put up
        with for our entire farming career.

        Left wing lunatics do not rule today. Just hope
        our governments can continue on in a respectful
        way and we can carve a prosperous path for the
        Western Region.

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        • haveapulse
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2005
          • 374

          #34
          Amen John and I do recommend to listening to that song, if only for the smile it will bring!

          Harvest is approaching and that free wheat is looking pretty darn good.

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          • sumdumguy
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2007
            • 12014

            #35
            Hey guys, why dont we let the CWB and their
            gang of banditos measure for us? It could be
            done just like the rigged voters lists. Account
            away, flim, flam and flunk!

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            • TOM4CWB
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2000
              • 16511

              #36
              John,

              I truly do not get the 'Won't Measure' part.

              Every action we make in business... IS a measurement. Our family, business associates and communities measure our performance.

              Grain markets measure every buyers' and sellers' performance.

              That is the base of our competitive free market place... where we choose to do our business... every minute of every day... and now with the internet... one mistake is found out instantly by concerned/caring folks within hours.

              MP Goodale preaching that we grain growers are all fools who are not responsible for our farms, families, and communities.

              How far the mighty have fallen.

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              • jdepape
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2010
                • 706

                #37
                Tom:
                The key to measuring is to first figure out a
                benchmark. You can't figure out if things have
                improved unless you know where you started.

                And, it's a pity but Goodale doesn't get it. I have
                argued with him about the true value of the single
                desk - he will not even entertain the notion that
                the CWB came with a huge cost - admin, higher
                handling costs plus high marketing costs.

                And if you refuse to acknowledge the way things
                were, how can you ever truly measure where
                you've gone?

                Ironically, it's Goodale that "won't measure".

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                • wilagro
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2000
                  • 2761

                  #38
                  It will be very easy to measure and assess the impact of "farmer input" with the new CWB. It will register as a big ZERO.

                  The fact that the government appoints ALL of the BOD has significance as we have lost ANY semblance of control over marketing and policy.

                  I can't ever see the government returning farmer appointed directors to the CWB so I say "piss on 'em" as selling through the present CWB is like having the "Harper government" through its lackeys control grain marketing and that would NOT be good.

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                  • jdepape
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 706

                    #39
                    wilagro:

                    It will be easier than ever to measure the impact of “farmer input” with the new CWB.

                    If the CWB provides value and farmers make use of it, it will succeed.

                    If it fails to show value and fails to get farmer support, it will fail.

                    There’s no clearer measure of farmer impact.

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                    • jdepape
                      Senior Member
                      • Oct 2010
                      • 706

                      #40
                      The Borg continues to contradict itself when arguing about market impact by farmers.

                      On the one hand they say that farmers don’t have market impact on their own – they need a mandatory selling agency like the old CWB for that. And, according to wilagro, the CWB needs farmers on the board to have any “semblance of control over marketing…” I take that to mean more of the same – we can’t influence the market without a single desk and we need farmers driving the boat.

                      On the other hand, the Borg will argue that in an open market, farmers will compete with each other, driving the price lower. Seems to me that that’s an argument that says individual farmers – acting in their own self interest – can impact the market.

                      If individual farmers can drive the price lower, it also stands that what they do can also support the price as well. Look at last year’s canola – in the spring we saw basis levels of about $14 over. Why? Deliveries were not enough to satisfy the demand. Starve the demand and price goes up.

                      Without the CWB control over wheat, farmers will now have a choice – sell wheat at harvest, or sell canola? And what individual farmers decide will have an impact on both. Watch for fall canola basis levels to be better than they have been historically.

                      And wilagro – one more contradiction. You’ve argued that the new CWB doesn’t have the market power of the old one. (And you’re right.) But now you say that “…the present CWB is like having the "Harper government" through its lackeys control grain marketing…”

                      The new CWB will not control grain marketing, lackeys or not. And that’s a good thing.

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