We Won!!!!!!

[PrairieSodBuster]

and the annoying bullshit from both sides just keeps on flowing. Yep you won, great! Yep you lost, too bad so sad!

If I listened to both sides of the battle I'm sure I'd go broke. The outcome will be no different than when the Crow Rate went...some will do really well, most will not do much better than they are right now and there will be a few more farmers who leave the industry.

Maybe we should spend less time patting ourselves on the back or crying in our beer (or both) and get back to farming and surviving! If you can't make it in one market structure, you probably won't make it in this one either.

I guess we'll see in about 10 - 20 years how it all shakes out.

[oneoff]

Well I give credit to both sides who have engaged in any hard fought battle. And those who don't prticipate or who find it annoying; or would have one side shackled and rendered defenseless are the most self centered and dangerous to any democracy.

[parsley]

Curiosity question for you oneoff:

Then would the following analogous twin also
prompt your historical prod?

"Current and past CWB special treatment to the
seedgrower industry has contributed to the
demise of the CWB monopoly" Pars

[parsley]

Go wash your naughty-bits , PrairieSodBuster, so
you can stand yourself the rest fthe week. Pars

[Choice2U]

OK Sodbuster...I'll actually make some points for you. I hate losers that actually never say anything in a thread.

Pro- The CWB used the stick and carrot against grain companies to make it more money. Con - Nice concept if you trust bureaucrats and small g government to make your crop profitable even though they were only accountable to an ideological board that never truly asked for accountability.

Pro - The CWB cross subsidized between protein, grade, durum/wheat (a long time ago), feed barley/malt barley to make farmers all equal. Con - Nice concept but I am not a socialist.

Pro - The CWB supported Churchill to the benefit of Manitobans. Con - nice concept except that the extra costs came out of the returns to the rest of western Canada. PS. This is blatant catering to their support.

Pro - Years ago, the CWB never even had a freight adjustment which made all farmers returns even more equal. Con - they distorted the affects of location which is a strategic advantage that some never got to utilize. Fortunately, the CWB started to relinquish it's strong socialist doctrine and start charging freight based on the realities of location.

So, Sodbuster...here is a lesson on putting an argument together using actual points. All the Pro's are truly advantages to the CWB if one believes in a socialist type of system.

[parsley]

I know you've lived what you've learned when you
can whip it up and put it in a post just as you
have, Choice. And you can easily teach it to
others, because we can taste the experience.
10/10 Save what you know; tell your children.
Pars.

[oneoff]

Choice said it much better than I ever could; except that the pro arguments come at someone else's expenses; and so should never be considered a positive.
And pars... there's 150% agreement that there are special "seed grower" exemption benefits of the CWB system; and they could and were used to export wheat into the USA elevator system. There have been times when both the Canadian seed grower and the US farmer stood to benefit from sale of that Canadian "seed grower" wheat that ended up in the US elevator system.
Those were part of the arguments to get rid of the single desk; and give all farmers the same potential access that groups such as seed growers and organics have used and enjoyed.

[rockpile]

Whoo! I thought I'd stir a tempest and I was right.
John, comparing wheat and canola complexes never
did sit right with me, kind of like comparing iron
ore to gold. But, only in the future will we find out if
one option or the other best serves farmer's
interests. More than anything this has been a
political and ideological fight - individual rights vs
collective power and the abuses with it. The current
outcome is the only possible solution to keep
neighbours from shooting each other. Enough said.
Pars, if you can carve out a lucrative niche with your
Harrowsmith ways, all the more power to you. But
even you admitted that organic marketing may be
more placebo than set in science. Now my
confession. I buy a lot of food at farmer markets
and much of it is labelled 'organic'. It is fresh and
tastes better, no doubt about it. But is because it is
organic or because it was hand picked mature in a
field or greenhouse the same day as sold as
opposed to stuff picked half green, sprayed with
nitrates and then shipped two thousand miles?
Finally a request. I have a neighbour who is a celiac
victim. Organic wheat and barley flour did no
favours for him. Last week he asked me about pea
flour and if I knew of anywhere to find it. So Pars, is
there such a product and can it be found in the
west, particularly in Alberta?

[TOM4CWB]

Rockpile,

http://consumer.kinnikinnick.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/consumer.home.html

These folks are high quality food providers in Edmonton... will ship anything just about anywhere!

Great to know there are great businesses with integrity and provide healthy foods.

Cheers!

[parsley]

Stop the world. UFC is on. Lauzon just got
whacked across the neck with Showtime's hoof.
Wow. Headache, for him ,gregpet? Pars