Farmer location Pro CWB Anti CWB

[bucket]

Good point Tom

If the cwb disappeared, wouldn't adrian measner be able to set up a export business right from the terminal he manages. Purchase grain from the producer groups and sell it based on what he has in port. And since these producer groups support a system like the cwb, they could finance him and his customers by taking only 25 percent of what their crop is worth and wait for the rest later.

It could be done. And really those on the short line and producer loading facilities are selling themselves short. They don't need 500 people in winnipeg to sell grain for them. There is not 500 people involved in getting the grain from their loading facility to the port, why have all the dead weight in Winnipeg.

[highwayman]

Add in terminal incentive of 3.50 at Mission. Others may only be 2.50. Terms are always negotiable.

[jdepape]

Does Mission pay the incentive to you?
I thought it would go to the CWB...

[highwayman]

I expect it would remain a viable aleternative without the CWB. It is my understanding that producer cars are protected by the Canada Grains Act. We have also shipped bin run peas and lentils via prodcuer cars and have been very happy with the results. Grain companies seem to be more then happy to buy our pulses,why should cereals be any different? Just more fear monguering by the anti-choice crowd.

[highwayman]

3.50 incentive is paid directly to producer.

[GALAXIE500]

In response to JDPapes comment on how the producer saves $1,000 by loading a producer car? Let me tell you guys in my area that is not the case. The net money /bushel is the same at our producer car site as it is in Viterra Maple Creek.If you throw in trucking premiums you are losing money loading a producer car. I have done the math on this the hard way. Now I am not knocking the idea of producer car loading , because competition is good, but I do advise anybody out there to check and double check there net prices at each facility. Also , whatever you do make sure you load your cars to the 90 tonne weight or you will be charged dead freight to get it to T-Bay. Like I said , I learned that the hard way also. I will haul my grain the extra 12 miles thank you very much. Sorry John, but that is whats going on out here.

[jdepape]

Galaxie500 - no need to apologize. Re-read my posts and you'll see I'm questioning the economics of loading cars.

Yours is a story I've heard elsewhere - the elevators give trucking premiums to compete.

I will say this - producer car loading is good for competition - and that's a good thing.

Also - if you could get a terminal to accept P-cars of canola, the economics wouldn't be there at all because the margins at the elevator are thin already (you're not going to save anything). P-cars might seem to work on CWB grains because the elevator margins are bigger - but that just means there's more to give back in trucking premiums - which is what you're seeing.

[katoe]

I would gladly load p. cars at a discount because it costs me $ 7 A TONNE TO HAUL TO the closest trrminal another 7 to the next one.Plus all the time in alineup. so you think they handle for nothing or next to nothing? The margins on canola are the best kept secret in the grain business