Saving the planet

[samhill]

Gas st the pump $1.30.9 = $5.96 per gallon.
How do parents in the country afford to have their kids in hockey, driving to practice, driving to games/tournaments. Or whatever sport.
As a teenager it was 25 cents a gallon.
Not a problem if you live in the city. That's where the votes are.

[15444]

Just a swipe on the card and forget about it. Raise the limit until the card company cuts you off, then get another card and keep doing it until they all cut you off - take out cash advances along the way and stash in a 'safe place' (not a bank) and then declare bankruptcy. People do it all the time. Big reason why I wish a person's home wasn't off limits to settling debts. Would make them think twice.

[farmaholic]

How high would fuel prices have to get to curb "recreational" driving?

At 12.5 liters/100kms with fuel at $1.30/liter it costs $16.25.....thats a trip to Regina and back for me.

A commuter car that can do it in 9 liters/100 it costs $11.70.....about three grand a year for a full-time 100km/day commuter not including the recreational driving.

[furrowtickler]

Now can one emagine adding carbon tax up to the UN goal of $200/tn ????
Think about that on top of this for a while ........
good by all disposable income you may ever think you will have .
All that tax will be applied to every thing you consume , food , fuel , cars , trucks , I phones , toilet paper ..... everything. And that’s yet to come .
Sad part is absolutely none of it will effect future “climate change “ what so ever good or bad .
Governments and the very rich elite will be soooo happy though 👎

[furrowtickler]

Oh , and those very same elite enviro wacky will continue to jet set all over the planet , attending “earth” summits telling the rest of us to pay even more .
Sounds off kilter..... but it’s 100% true.
Ohh and they will continue to force more and more refugees to continue to swamp the already way overtaxed middle class into poverty as well. Then they will have achieved their goal .

Any way , time to get the crop in , so we can pay more tax’s next year 🚜

[burnt]

Now can one emagine adding carbon tax up to the UN goal of $200/tn ????
Think about that on top of this for a while ........
good by all disposable income you may ever think you will have .
All that tax will be applied to every thing you consume , food , fuel , cars , trucks , I phones , toilet paper ..... everything. And that’s yet to come .
Sad part is absolutely none of it will effect future “climate change “ what so ever good or bad .
Governments and the very rich elite will be soooo happy though 👎

A while ago I posted links to "UN 2030 - Agenda for a Sustainable Future", and another site stating how much it was going to cost to achieve this level of "sustainability".

The figure was several trillion dollars per year. All to finance a scheme that is now being openl;y acknowledged as a wealth transfer system.

You don't suppose that the $200/tn goal might just about match up with the multi-trillion dollar price tag, hmmmm?

The scenario you lay out is probably going to be considerably worse than we can imagine.

Know this - whenever you read the word "sustainability", it is a short form of the real intention - the annihilation of the West as we have known it.

Nihilism - the tool of the elites and it has been firmly entrenched in the past 30 years through the education system's social engineering programs.

[the big wheel]

carbon tax is the propaganda scapegoat by the oil industry as the cause of the pump price. When in fact it is in there And shouldn't be but it is not the major cause of the price at the pump.
Incompetence and oil greed are. If the industry wants to be expanded I have no problem with that but only if the rest of us aren't holding the bag paying for all the debt the big wheels in politics want to play when the low cycles hit. When the cycles are high it should not only pay their own way out it should save for the lows.
Isn't that how all of us run our farms?

We have incompetent managers of our governments and all those other non carbon taxes is the real proof. But the oil industry and its puppets have done a real good job of distorting what is really going on.

Yes the carbon tax is a phoney baloney money scam but so is all the other taxes In that price. Several times more costly to us than the carbon tax is.

On the one note many countries wouldn't buy our oil unless we had environment measures in place. The carbon tax is that measure even though it's not working and doesn't need to work it still enables the sales of our oil. Which is ironic you don't really hear the oil companies protest it because of this fact you only hear the puppets protest because they want us to think it's not necessary when in fact it is. Have you all not seen the oil companies implement new environmental policies? Not only is something necessary to sell oil but as for what it is which is a money grab for our governments which have been incompetent spenders. Instead of grandstanding we should have been putting energy into making it neutral or even a money maker for us. But how could our provincial government do that? They could never admit it would make us money could they?

Have you heard a peep out of our sask government about how agriculture and forestry sequester carbon and shoud be compensated?

Once again the political spin is more convincing than the facts.

[chuckChuck]

For a lot of consumers fuel still must be be pretty cheap considering lots of them still line up in their over sized 300 hp SUV to pickup a coffee at Tim Hortons with the engine running. Just imagine the amount of energy it takes to get one cup of coffee and a donut?

Fuel guzzling pickup trucks are still selling briskly to people who don't need them, but have been sucked in by slick marketing.

These are all indicators that energy is priced too low and is being used inappropriately.

Some these same people wasting energy without a good reason are the ones complaining loudest about a carbon tax.

[furrowtickler]

For a lot of consumers fuel still must be be pretty cheap considering lots of them still line up in their over sized 300 hp SUV to pickup a coffee at Tim Hortons with the engine running. Just imagine the amount of energy it takes to get one cup of coffee and a donut?

Fuel guzzling pickup trucks are still selling briskly to people who don't need them, but have been sucked in by slick marketing.

These are all indicators that energy is priced too low and is being used inappropriately.

Some these same people wasting energy without a good reason are the ones complaining loudest about a carbon tax.

Good thing I bought an electric golf cart

[the big wheel]

For a lot of consumers fuel still must be be pretty cheap considering lots of them still line up in their over sized 300 hp SUV to pickup a coffee at Tim Hortons with the engine running. Just imagine the amount of energy it takes to get one cup of coffee and a donut?

Fuel guzzling pickup trucks are still selling briskly to people who don't need them, but have been sucked in by slick marketing.

These are all indicators that energy is priced too low and is being used inappropriately.

Some these same people wasting energy without a good reason are the ones complaining loudest about a carbon tax.

Yes for some people it is too cheap but to break it down further some of them acting like it cheap have mortgages and loans that if the bank rate went up half a point they would be done.
Do you think fuel is cheap for us farmers? Or people that are working 9 to 5 nit above their means lifestyle that barely can make ends meet? Because some are missing the point that those pump price increases are the excuse or legit factor in groceries to parts going up.

[Hamloc]

For a lot of consumers fuel still must be be pretty cheap considering lots of them still line up in their over sized 300 hp SUV to pickup a coffee at Tim Hortons with the engine running. Just imagine the amount of energy it takes to get one cup of coffee and a donut?

Fuel guzzling pickup trucks are still selling briskly to people who don't need them, but have been sucked in by slick marketing.

These are all indicators that energy is priced too low and is being used inappropriately.

Some these same people wasting energy without a good reason are the ones complaining loudest about a carbon tax.

Chuck2 in the Alberta governments 2018-2019 budget, the governing NDP stated that when the federally mandated increase of the carbon tax to $40 per tonne of C02 comes into effect in 2021, the extra $10 dollars over the $30 dollars per tonne applied under the Alberta climate leadership plan would be put into general revenue. And in 2022 when the tax reaches $50 a tonne, $20 dollars for every tonne will go into general revenue. My point is that the Alberta government admitted it is about the revenue and not the climate. The carbon tax is a politically popular way to increase taxes because voters feel good about this virtue signalling tax. Realistically, it will make Canadian businesses including farmers less competitive and push industry off shore. Imported oil, fertilizer, concrete powder, the list goes on and on, are not subject to a carbon tax and will undercut our domestic suppliers. Efficiency on the farm can only go so far in battling increased costs. Enjoy your day!

[burnt]

For a lot of consumers fuel still must be be pretty cheap considering lots of them still line up in their over sized 300 hp SUV to pickup a coffee at Tim Hortons with the engine running. Just imagine the amount of energy it takes to get one cup of coffee and a donut?

Fuel guzzling pickup trucks are still selling briskly to people who don't need them, but have been sucked in by slick marketing.

These are all indicators that energy is priced too low and is being used inappropriately.

Some these same people wasting energy without a good reason are the ones complaining loudest about a carbon tax.

Thank you for your contribution, chucky!

Because your words provided a classic example of Marxist doctrine - punish those who can enjoy the benefit of their labours.

And in this case, the unfair or unjustifiable wealth transfer mechanism isn't even for the benefit of the poor because the tax actually injures the most those who can afford it the least.

So there you have it folks - chucky once again demonstrating the effect of successful social engineering, formerly known as brain-washing.

Historically, it is always the useful idiots who enable and enrich the elites (the jet-setting Climate Barbies or Jihadi Justins or Buttheads) in any system.

So sad.

[chuckChuck]

A carbon tax can be used to lower other taxes for low income consumers or anyone. The provinces can decide how they use it. If you are concerned about low income workers then the simplest thing is to increase the basic income tax exemption on low incomes.

[chuckChuck]

Thank you for your contribution, chucky!

Because your words provided a classic example of Marxist doctrine - punish those who can enjoy the benefit of their labours.

And in this case, the unfair or unjustifiable wealth transfer mechanism isn't even for the benefit of the poor because the tax actually injures the most those who can afford it the least.

So there you have it folks - chucky once again demonstrating the effect of successful social engineering, formerly known as brain-washing.

Historically, it is always the useful idiots who enable and enrich the elites (the jet-setting Climate Barbies or Jihadi Justins or Buttheads) in any system.

So sad.

This isn't marxist doctrine its ****ing common sense which you seem to have little of!

But perhaps you think it is a good idea to use a an expensive polluting finite resource such as oil because too many people are too lazy to walk to get a cup of coffee, let alone put some in a thermos for later.

We have become a society of lazy and fat people.

[burnt]

A carbon tax can be used to lower other taxes for low income consumers or anyone. The provinces can decide how they use it. If you are concerned about low income workers then the simplest thing is to increase the basic income tax exemption on low incomes.

At least you are agreeing that it has nothing to do with CO2 emissions, and is strictly a wealth transfer tool.

Just a new tool in the old Marxist toolbox, eh chucky?!